bango
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I'm not so sure I like the way that this sounds.
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kimbell,, not trying to attack you but walgreens is not erratic. It is you or the doctor(s) who are. You should be happy they agreed to fill early ,
If you knew what the word erratic means, then you would agree with the poster who believes Walgreens and its policies are erratic, especially when one pharm tech agrees to one way and a different one agrees to another.
Erratic: Not conforming to rules or standards. Period.
If Walgreens is the one who is to conform to these rules and regulations and they don't adhere to them, then they are the ones being erratic. Please understand what you are saying before you say it. NOT attacking you, by the way. Just stating it as I see it and very opinionated.
So, there you have it...my lovely opinion.
lemongrass
yea and the rule or standrad is as follows (IT is up to the pharmacy to decide wether to DIREGARD THE FEDERAL LAW which says that you cannot refill early, if THE PHARAMCIST NOT THE PATIENT thinks it is warrented), so that was not erratic. furthermore, either her or her doctor was erratic under your defenition..im sorry you dont like how it sounds.
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Firefairy
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I was going to stay out of this, we have no Walgreen's here and I have often posted my difficulties with Wal-mart. But, I can't help it, I have to:
Main Entry: er·rat·ic
1 a : having no fixed course : WANDERING b archaic : NOMADIC
2 : transported from an original resting place especially by a glacier
3 a : characterized by lack of consistency, regularity, or uniformity b : deviating from what is ordinary or standard
Lemongrass was correct, the original poster was simply stating that in her experience the pharmacy was characterized by lack of consistency, regularity, or uniformity. The fact that laws/policies/procedures may give the people filling scripts the option of being erratic makes it no less annoying . Not only that, but in some cases can be medically unsound causing periods of interupted care: ie when a pharm won't fill a 30 day script till 31 day, 31 day falls on a day when pharm not open.
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JOJOM
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I have to say that Walgreens is one of the more Strict as we say places to get a RX filled. I went to My dentist ;ast year for a root canal and he only prescribed 12 hydro es, well a few days later, I called I ran out and I was in extreme pain. He says to me " What pharmacy did you use?" I said Walgreens, why? He explained that they will contact him if they feel he is overprescribing Narcotics and they have called him on it before, anyway he asked if I had another place and I gave him CVS phone number and he called in something for me. I have to say I would have thought he was lying so he did not have to call in anything for me, but he did at CVS with no problem so I have to belive him on this. How could 20-30 pills be too much when someone has had oral surgery??? Does not make sense at all.
I think the Pharmacy's like to feel important so they chime in when there is no need to. I could see If he was calling in scripts all the time, but 12 and then maybe another 12 or 20, come on Walgreens you worry about interactions with meds and let the Dr.'s do their job....
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Dasani
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Amen, well said JOJOM!!! Walgreens definitely needs to stop policing the doctors. But like I said in a different thread, when I worked Narcotics, we loved Walgreens, because they would offer us information about scheduled med BUYERS even if we didn't ask for it. But now I'm out of law enforcement I hate em'! I think they did that for us because they are national chain and have different rules or standards, because the local pharmacies told us to pack sand if we tried to get any info from them. Go figure, but I loved your statement.
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Emmee
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The doctors are under such scrutiny as it is, that having a chain like Walgreen's calling attention to prescribing habits must be a nightmare. That is why so many people are with OP's in the first place. PCP's and even chronic pain doctors are afraid to prescribe medication as conditions warrant. I have read so many stories of those in horrific pain, and know my own story, that are unable to get medication. And/or are treated like criminals if they get aggressive about treatment. The doctors ultimately don't want to lose their license to practice medicine, or land in jail.
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turcica
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I don't know if this will help but I registered online to have my prescription history etc available. For some reason they don't look that close when you order online. Before that when I called, certain pharmacists would not even refill 2 days early. The last time I refilled I accidently hit the button twice and they filled the script twice in the same day! I brought it to their attention and they corrected it. Maybe its because as soon as you order online it adjusts last date refilled to the current date. I don't know but I haven't had problems since then. They also send you an e-mail when your script is ready to be picked up. Overall, I don't use them much. But sometimes you get a script late in the day and they are the only 24 hour available. FYI turcica
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lemongrass
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Awww, Firefairy! You came to my defense! You knew precisely the point that I was trying to make. I was about to rebut the other post that challenged mine, but you did just fine. Thank you, m'lady!
Now then, will you sprinkle me with some of that fairy dust and help this body of mine get back to normal? LMAO
Thanks again!
lemongrass
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sam001
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A local news station investigated an allegation that Walgreens were giving out prescription histories to anyone that asked. It was a year or two ago. Anyway, many people get a copy of annual prescription info for tax purposes. It is only to be given to the patient. Walgreens was giving it out to anyone that asked. Employers were obtaining medication history on their employees, which is what prompted the investigation. The news folks did the undercover camera thing and Walgreens all over town handed any Tom, Dick or Harry, prescription info on any person they asked for, no questions asked. No other pharmacy did this. They of course, apologized and changed their procedures.
My only other Walgreen's story was after receiving a prescription for hydrocodone in a liquid form, following lazer throat surgery. The pharmacist misread the script and substituted "take on tablespoon" for "take one teaspoon". Just a simple human error, however it effected when I could refill it. When I discussed this with the pharmacist he was quite sure he had never made an error. As I was quite painful, I did insist he find the script and we look at it together. He eventually refilled it, only after including the store manager, but was just the biggest jerk about it. I probably could have been nicer but wasn't in the mood.
I don't use Walgreen's anymore.
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mattglv
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I've only used walgreens about five times and have never had problems with them unlike most others have. The wiered thing is I only used them when I started using ops about a year and a half ago. I was living in las vegas at the time and I had tried out erxonline.com, well I got my script for 60 norcos w/2 refills and a month later when I tried ordering my refil they emailed me saying that they can't ship to Nevads any more. So I was thinking I was sol and I figured what the hell I'll go to walgreens and see if I could transfer it thier. After I droped it off I was thinking that pobally wasn't a good idea but, I needed my meds. To my amazement I called them to see if they had transfered it the next day. They did, and it was only $5 w/my copay. I thought that was the coolest thing in the world just saved over 100 bucks. I also got the second refill the following month. I have since moved to Oregon this last april and decided to try erx again because I was in a pinch. I got my first script from erx then when the time for refills was ready I again went to walgreens and transfered them and it worked again. Now I don't no why it worked but it did and thats all that mattered to me. Now I only use fedxmeds and they are great I tried transfering my refills from thier to walgreens once when I first used fedx but walgreens said they couldn't do it w/out the drs permission, so I never tried it again. I was trying to save some money. I was also wondering if any one else ever tried transfering a script from an op to a local pharm? Or if I was the only one. I wouldn't try it now, to scared of lossing op's, but when I did it I really didn't think much of it.
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bango
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whatever guys, were not here to argue about such stuff, walgreens has many problems and i agree to that, cheers..
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NJ_Hoss
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Walgreens is unique to most chains in one very important respect, the architechture and implementation of their pharmacy management system.
In terms of processing individual prescriptions, it doesn't do a whole of things substantially different from others; it checks for interactions, performs NDC integrity validation, validates dispensing history, and retains patient-specific disease state information and so forth. Even so, it tends to do these much better, and in a means much more attuned to their operating structure than most other chains, as all development, maintenance, and enhancements are performed in-house, and with a greater allocation of capital resources than virtually any other. (For example, CVS' and Eckerd's system uses a customized version of a canned application for which they purchased the source code to modify to their own needs.
Anyway, Walgreens' architecture provides the most substantial difference, which is its mix of centrally-maintained and local information. It grew from a mainframe-based system that originally kept all information at its central data center in Deerfield, Illinois. This was in the old days of IBM Mainframes, TSO, and 3270 terminals. It was archaic and inflexible for a long period of time, but it has since allowed them to leapfrog virtually everyone else because of their huge database structure from the get-go that most chains can't cost-effectively recreate.
While certain information about each prescription resides at each store, the patient profile, and references to each prescription filled under that profile reside centrally. That is why providing your name, phone number, or social security number to any Walgreens is enough for them to have instant access to all of your information. Other chains may have similar capabilities, but they usually require identifying a specific store from which their computer can obtain the profile, and even so, the prescription data does not transfer with it as it does not pertain to the specific store. With Walgreens, it all originates with the central patient profile, which is why that link inherently exists.
Of course, links fail, and contingencies exist that give them limited views to say a profile of personal information, but not prescription history if a link is down or table is undergoing locked maintenance. If all communication is down, a store can create a new patient record which will eventually roll up into their master database.
Given that this is how their system is designed and works, it is entirely possible that at any step along the way, the pharmacy may have created an independent patient record that was later reconciled into the master, or pharmacy B decided to honor an early fill due to certain circumstances to which it may have not had visibility at a given moment in time. Nevertheless, this is by far the exception instead of the rule, as their communication infrasturcture is one of the most inerhently reliable and redundant (by design and need) in the industry. While it may have resulted in denying an early fill, its goal is to provide universal access to information across all of its stores and facilitate the seamless transfer and processing of prescriptions while maintaining FULL interaction checking and utilization review, which is something that Walgreens does exceptionally well, and is an asset to health care. They are excellent at what they do, and in my opinion, as a company they provide the gold standard of care. It also means that, with rare exception, every Walgreens prescription will be dispensed in full awareness of every other Walgreens prescription.
I'm not debating whether this particular incident was confusing, inconvenient, or frustrating; but in the larger sense of the practice of pharmacy, their technology leads the industry by a huge margin. But I do think that the ability to obtain refills at will, or the fact that receiving exception refills requires additional time and involvement is a criteria for determining whether they have problems or not. Having said that, an individual whose needs are best served when each prescription is treated in isolation to all others (except earlier refills of the same prescription), will likely find Walgreens the least accommodating and are going to be best served by having each prescription processed at a separate and unrelated pharmacy.
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antonio
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I have a close friend who works for Rite Aid, and he said that they have a central file similar to Walgreens, maybe not as thorough, but your personal info can be accessed from any store.
He also told me that on a CII prescription, the pharmacy did the right thing by asking you to forfeit the balance of the pills. Since there are no refills allowed on CII prescriptions, the pharmacist was correct in asking you to forfeit the balance. He told me that the pharmacy can owe you the pills, but the law states that they should have the rest of them within 3 days. If they can't get you them within 3 days, then legally they shouldn't owe you the pills, but should ask you to forfeit the balance.
Maybe state laws differ, but that is what the federal law states. Some pharmacies may owe you the pills after 3 days, but they technically are breaking the law by doing that, and are doing nothing wrong by asking you to forfeit the balance. Don't go calling anyone reporting the pharmacy on this, unfortunately they were correct by doing so.
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cypress434
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What I find sucky is that anybody behind the counter can claim they don't have enough, and pocket what a person must "forfeit".
I don't trust any of 'em except for the "mom and pop" place I use up the street from my house. They stay out of my business and they deliver too. They just aren't allowed to deliver schedule 2's, whether it is a law or just a rule they made for themselves.
Here's to NO pain for all...
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NJ_Hoss
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Yes, Rite Aid does provide accessibility to patient information across its pharmacies, but in a much different, and less comprehensive way based on periodic data polling and roll-ups instead of real-time.
As for the other poster's statement about C-II partial fills, it's possible for the pharmacist to divert from his or her own pharmacy's inventory at any given moment, but most have ARS (autmatic replenishment systems) that reorder medications from wholesalers based on actual dispensing, and discrepancies readily become apparent. This is also in addition to being subject to controlled substance audits, which are generally vastly different processes for C-II's and C-III's, as is the protocol a pharmacy must follow when receiving, storing, and dispensing, C-II prescriptions. The implications and sanctions of caught can also be far steeper for C-II's.
As a result, among impaired pharmacists, or those who divert medications from their own pharmacies for illicit use, C-III through V medications far outpace C-II medications, making C-II diversions within the pharmacy relatively rare. Also, when diversion occurs within the pharmacy, it typically occurs in larger quantities or in different ways than altering an existing customer's prescription as it constitutes a more likely source of potential attention and scrutiny.
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Beetlenut
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I was shocked at the price of Norco 10/325's (Watsons) at Walgreens.
I filled an Rx for #30 10/325's last week and paid $42.00 !!
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