jshnyda
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If anyone knows and can answer I would appreciate it.
A family member of mine was heavily dependant on opiates for years. He decided to quit cold turkey and said that Buprenorphine was a "miracle" for him. He said it helped with the depression and lack of energy and he felt "normal" again. He said it took him 3 days of using it in small doses and he has been opiate free for three weeks now.
Can anyone back this up for me?
Thanks in advance.........Jeff.
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NJ_Hoss
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It seems to be extremely promising, and is receiving an incredible amount of government support, which given the conservative political environment says a lot in and of itself.
I recommend visiting www.samhsa.gov, where there is more detailed information and a couple of hour-long video diaries of health-care conferences pertaining to its study and use.
I hope this helps!
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safe13
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I could write a post a mile long on this one, I'll make it short, to the point. If Norco or anything else more intense legal or non is running your life any your are ready to stop, find a Dr. to treat you with Buph.It is a MIRACLE drug and if you have failed before this will get you to the other side.
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voyager
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NJ HOSS,
DO you really look like either George Clooney or David Hasselhoff????? 
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Tomsgirl
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Looks more like Frank Bonner from WKRP to me.
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537
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Frank Bonner... that's it. All I could think of was Herb from WKRP. Thanks. 
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NJ_Hoss
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Yep. Frank Bonner, aka the American icon and style maven, Herb Tarlek.
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Lisa1967
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Well,do you LOOK like them,or just wish ya did???
Lisa
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kewlone4u
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EVERY doc in my city AND surrounding cities that don't require inpatient are maxed out with 30 patients for Suboxone.Good Luck finding a Doc that is accepting new patients!!! KO
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gottadoit
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Back to the original question - I know several people who have done the suboxone program and EVERY SINGLE one of them state it is indeed a miracle drug. The IOP version (temgesic) though much weaker seems to help many people as well.
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kewlone4u
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The Temgesic work well, but it takes 10 of them to make a 2 mg pill. I went ahead and ordered 150 for 225 bucks, I figure thats 30 2 mg pills. If the Dr visit is 250- 350 bucks, I feel like it's actually not a bad deal considering that I can get by on 2 mg per day and not feel overwhelmed. I may even go to 3 or 4 mg for the first few days, so I can actually get some things done instead of doing just enough to stave off wds, then once the Oxy is out of my system taper back down to zero, hopefully within 3 weeks.I have taken clonidine with the Tems and it works well together.Good luck with your endeavors, Sub is not to be had without rehab where I live within a 200 mile radius. The 10 doctors I called said everyone is staying on it instead of detoxing and getting off. Oh well, enough whining!!! It looks like I'll have to do it MY WAY!!
Later, KO
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night_shade
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They are now working on a VERY long-acting buprenorphine injection. I posted the article a few days ago.
Single Injection Promising for Heroin Addiction
It definitely looks promising.
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gottadoit
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kewlone,
You WILL not need to take that many tems at once to get relief. I suggest that you start by taking 2 and see how it goes. You can always take more if necessary. I know of several people who had been taking very large doses of hydro who used the tems. They only took two at a time and had no problems at all. Good luck!
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Trampy
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Quote:
kewlone,
You WILL not need to take that many tems at once to get relief. I suggest that you start by taking 2 and see how it goes. You can always take more if necessary. I know of several people who had been taking very large doses of hydro who used the tems. They only took two at a time and had no problems at all. Good luck!
Maybe they took a "hydro holiday," but how many of those people completely stopped taking opiates for the long term ... like for months?
Trampy
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rago
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Yeah. I was a bit mislead thinking that the tems would be real weak but after taking only three of the .2 temgesics, I felt plenty satisfied. In fact they lasted for about 36 hours before I started to feel a little weird. After that, I only took one a day for about a week and then stopped taking them. My hydro intake was only 20 megs per day by the time I decided to start the detox but I was still amazed how strong the .2 tems were and how well they worked. So 11 tems total is what it took for me to detox off of 20 megs per day, hydro dependence. No physical discomfort, just a little insomnia now and feel a little spaced out. But I think this is typical of the mental after effects of withdrawl.
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plotinus
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Unfortunately I have been up close and personal with family member detoxing from heroin -- he was injected with several milligrams a day of buprenex tapering over a week. If you have a real "habit" - I find it hard to believe that 0.2mg Temgesic SL will be much help. JMO. As Trampy says - maybe OK for a hydro holiday.
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kayleighbear
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Question?
Whenn we are talking about "relief" are we talking about w/d symptoms or pain? Am I correct in assuming that it is NOT a pain reliever, but just to help with w/d? What do you do for pain? I'm guessing you can't take they hydro with it? Can anyone get a little more specific? What do you mean when you say "mental" aspects?
The reason I'm asking all these questions is because I'm ALL OVER the board when it comes to my hydro. Some days I can get by on 20mgs, some days it takes 60mgs. How do you taper down from that? I do feel a little "weird" (don't know how to describe it) when I have to take 60mgs for a few days in a row and then shoot down to 20mgs. My dr said that I could take up to 8/10mgs a day but thankfully haven't had to go that high.
There are some days that I could probably get by on less than 20mgs, but don't want to have w/ds. See where I'm going here?
Thanks for any input.
Kayleigh
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night_shade
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Buprenorphine is definitely a pain reliever as well as narcotic maintenance/withdrawal drug.
ANY doctor can prescribe it for pain, but few pharmacies carry it.
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zengaboyFB
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Bupe will work for pain relief, you can take other opites with it, however depending on the individual and how much bupe you take it can effect the ability of other opiates to work. There is no reason to take another opiate with bupe, at least as far as I know. (the only exeption to that might be if one were in extreme withdrawal and did not have enough of a single opiate to stop or slow down the withdrawal)
Bupe is an agonist/antagonist that binds with extreme voracity to the opiate receptors. For people who are not used to taking opiates bupe will wallop them pretty hard. The higher your tolerence to opiates the less potent it will be. Counter-intuitively, after you take a given amount, again depending on the person and their tolerance it will precipitate withdrawal. If you have a high tolerance to opiates and take a high dose it can preciptate withdrawal. If you have a medium tolerance for opiates and you take a moderate amount you could feel it pretty strongly. But if you have a medium tolerance and take too much it will precipitate withdrawal. If you have a high tolerence for opiates and are in withdrawal and take the appropriate amount you will experience serious relief from withdrawal, if you take too much it can make the withdrawal worse.
At the right level it acts as a blocker, like naltrexone.However, I think, but am not sure, that it binds much more tightly to the receptors than naltrexone. For example: If you are taking naltrexone and are hit by a car and rushed to the ER they can give you enough opiates to push the naltrexone out of the way of the recepotors thus giving you pain relief. If you go into OD they administer a shorter acting antagonist to push the opiates out of the way and bring you out of OD.
I am not sure if they can do this with bupe. Nor I am sure how the loop works. At what point does one precpitate withdrawal and can you chase it? If you are in withdrawal from taking bupe, will taking more bupe give you relief? Or cause further withdrawal. Or will it cause a harsher withdrawal? And if that is the case how long do you have to wait before the bupe level drops and starts to act like an agonist and relives the withdrawal?
I asked a Dr the above questions, but he did not have the anwser. I think I asked more questions than anwsered, but am interested in the anwsers. Thank you, Z
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gondola
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Well said. A good friend is on Buph for back pain - had tried all the alternatives, but most of them had too many side effects. He now uses Buph patches (maybe a Euro thing?) and finds them excellent.
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pondere
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I want to try this, and was wondering if anyone has some sort of scale I can work with. I assume the amount of buprenorphine you have to take to fend off withdrawal is obviously contingent upon the amount of opiates you habitually take, but is there some kind of guideline out there? If I am taking X amount of hydro a day, I will start out with Y amount of buprenorphine? Or should I just try out what works? I'm getting ready to start my doctorate, and would really like to have the hydro thing in control by the fall. Does anyone have some advice?
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