orgart
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I will be looking for hydro (vicodin) without tylenol or aspirin, no binder. I have hep c as well as fibro so what I need for pain can't have anything bad for the liver. I know it exists and I hope someone like NWW would have it. Let me know if anyone knows what I'm talking about. 
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rla76
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I know that Hydrocodone without a binder is Scheduled II. I know there are a couple OP's that will compound the meds like 15/80, 15/100, and 10/100 for example...Hope this helps... Maybe someone else on this board can help with better information.... Take Care
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NJ_Hoss
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With your unfortunate diagnosis, even with the current opiaphobia that is tragically prevailant among so many prescribers; you may realize better overall success locating an enlightened pain management practicioner who will help you effectively manage your pain with appropriate medications than a pharmacy who will dispense hydrocodone-only products.
Some OP's do offer specialized lower-content APAP compounds, but as Hydrocodone by itself is a C-II substance, finding a source online is going to be all but impossible, I fear.
After all, if a presrcriber would be willing to write such a Schedule-II prescription, he or she may be likely to prescribe a lower-dose, yet more effective alternative as well.
I hope this helps!
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Spectre13
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Currently, the closest things you'll get to "pure" hydro are the low acetaminophen compounded meds that rla76 mentioned. However, there is a buzz in the NWW camp about a mysterious sublingual hydro wafer, of which the acetaminophen content has yet to be revealed. Personally, I'd like to find a pure hydro product, but then again, acetaminophen supposedly potentiates the effects of hydrocodone - so this "loss" (of acetaminophen) that one might consider a "gain" might really be a loss.
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orgart
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Thank you, every bit helps. I have seen these ratios befoe.
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orgart
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Thank you, I will get a better picture as time goes on.
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orgart
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I have been seening the term wafer about the board, thank you for shedding some light. I will continue my homework. 
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zengaboyFB
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You might contact a compounding pharmacy to see what they can do. They may be able to compound it with something that does not hurt your liver. You dont need pure hydro. There is an oxycodone syrup that has no other active ingredient. I realize that oxy is a CII, but maybe they could prepare a similar syrup with hydro that would be a CIII. Just a guess. Worth a phone call? Z.
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yawkaw3
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Weren't there a few people on the board a while ago who used to get hydrocodone/DXM compounded capsules? I think it was from cyberscriptsrx, maybe madison though, I don't quite remember? Does anyone else remember this, or was I hallucinating?
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Barryh
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I too have hepatitis c, i use vicoprufren. which is better than tylenol on the liver
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Trampy
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Quote:
I will be looking for hydro (vicodin) without tylenol or aspirin, no binder. I have hep c as well as fibro so what I need for pain can't have anything bad for the liver. I know it exists and I hope someone like NWW would have it. Let me know if anyone knows what I'm talking about.
That'd be a C-II. All hydrocodone products in the U.S. are compounded with other drugs "in clinically significant amounts" so that they can be sold as C-III.
You might as well get OxyFast or O-IRs from your local doctor. No U.S. OPs prescribe C-IIs.
Why no binder? To get a clear liquid? Never mind. We can't discuss it here. Just try an O-IR.
I know that some compounding pharmacies sell hydro/apap with hydro ratios as high as 15/80 ... and a few doctors write scrips with refills for them. One of these old sources (Gardendale) seems to be shut down. Whether a 15/80 is in C-III is quite debatable. The FDA has never approved a drug with that composition. So they couldn't have placed it in C-III. It would probably be called a C-II if the DEA looked at it. 80 mg of apap. What a joke.
The doctors and pharmacies who don't think this is either funny or criminal are taking chances with their licenses ... but that's not unusual in this business if it will make a good buck.
Billy or Hoss? Anyone disagree?
Trampy
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Edited by Trampy (02/06/04 04:21 PM)
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neofate
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As the others have said, opiates without a combination chemical(s) are scheduled class II. In which case really raises eyebrows for the DEA, and is for lack of better wording "Like playing with fire".
To be quite honest, I don't think an apap free combination of hydrocodone is going to be possible from an Online Pharmacy.
I don't know anything pertaining to your condition, but the fact that you have Hep C. In which case your health is dependent upon keeping hard to process chemicals out of your bloodstream. Therefore, I might be inclined to research your area for a willing and knowledgable pain management clinic that could offer you a Duragesic Patch. Perhaps a VERY low dosage patch considering you only require 7.5mg's of hydro for relief. If you need more information on the various Duragesic patches I can provide it to you, but for now I will leave the idea as is 
Best of luck to you,
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night_shade
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Since we have a redundant thread here, I will again post the Schedule III hydrocodone limitations imposed by the DEA and every state law I read was identical:
(3) not more than 300 milligrams of dihydrocodeinone (hydrocodone), or any of its salts, per 100 milliliters or not more than 15 milligrams per dosage unit, with a fourfold or greater quantity of an isoquinoline alkaloid of opium;
(4) not more than 300 milligrams of dihydrocodeinone (hydrocodone), or any of its salts, per 100 milliliters or not more than 15 milligrams per dosage unit, with one or more active, nonnarcotic ingredients in recognized therapeutic amounts;
Again, the question is how much is a "recognized therapeutic amount" of acetaminophen?
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