rainydays
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does anyone know what the phosphate is in codein phosphate?
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Trampy
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does anyone know what the phosphate is in codein phosphate?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphate
"In chemistry, phosphate refers to a polyatomic ion or radical consisting of one phosphorus atom and four oxygen. In the ionic form, it carries a -3 formal charge, and is denoted PO43-."
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bones392
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LOL I'm not a chemist, so I will have to do more research to understand that answer.
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rainydays
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well i was wondering if anyone has taken codien and codein phosphate and what the difference is?
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Spectre13
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I could be wrong, but I think codeine is just short for codeine phosphate. If, per chance, they are two different animals the effects are likely to be exactly the same.
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rainydays
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i am looking at ordering them from losepain and they show codein and codein phosphate as 2 different drug choices
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yawkaw3
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The name at the end (whether it's sulfate, phosphate, hydrochloride, bitartrate, whatever) describes the type of salt. When codeine is codeine sulfate or codeine phosphate, it exists as the sulfate or phosphate salt of codeine.
"Codeine" just by itself would mean codeine base to a chemist, though for most people it just refers to some form of codeine.
A salt is the reaction of an acid and a base.
Codeine phosphate is what's more popular in America, it's the kind that's in tylenol w/ codeine. It considered by most people to be slightly stronger than codeine sulfate when taken orally.
-yawkaw
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rainydays
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thanks so much for the great info! much appreciated!
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Spectre13
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I see what you mean now. I'm not entirely sure, but I think they both contain the same item (codeine phosphate), but tack the phosphate onto the one name and not the other merely to visually differentiate one product from the other. I suppose they feel the differing milligrams is insufficient for product differentiation (30mg vs. 50mg). When you click "buy now", both products just say codeine at that point. Rest assured, the more knowledgeable posters around here will point out any error in this reasoning. Have you purchased from them before?
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bones392
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Losepain.com is an IOP, not domestic so I would check some of the posts in that section for more info. I would also check the who offers it/how much section of the board. As for personal experience, I have ordered the codeine phosphate from losepain. It arrives very quickly, packaging is so-so, and the strength is good. I usually take it with motrin to help increase its effects. The other codeine product that they sell is not co phosphate, it is codeine 30 mgs and tylenol together.
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buzz99
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Rainydays, don't get the 50mg codiene at losepain, it's time release, and it doesn't work as well as the 30mg regular codiene., I know, "I have a 3 foil packs of them."
Even if you crush them, they still don't work as well....I noticed they don't list them as time release either....go with the 30's (30mg)..trust me......Bz.
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Spectre13
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I saw another sub-page for Tylenol 3, so I assumed the codeine labeled products would be pure. However, of all the somewhat redundant codeine pages found upon the site, this is perhaps the most comprehensive one I could find (link), showing acetaminophen (paracetamol) versions of codeine 15mg and 30mg, and pure versions in 30mg and 50mg, and of course, the fosfosal (whatever that is).
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renolite
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how does the codeine product match up to hydro with regard to pain relief?
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Spectre13
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According to the NDC, 10mg hydrocodone equates to 100mg codeine.
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D2003
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In terms of strength, Codeine is a 'lesser' product than Hydro. (100mg of Codeine = about 10mg of Hydro. But you'll literally fall on your face asleep at that dosage, unless you have a high tolerance to Codeine.) I've used both extensively and found that Hydro works much better than Codeine, and without leaving me as sleepy either. All pain meds also have a side effect of making you constipated to one degree or another. Codiene is pretty bad for that. Hydro will also block you up some, but not to the same extent as Codeine. If you do find yourself blocked, add either add a granola type cereal to your diet, or granola bars. And try to wash down your meds with at least a full (8oz) of water too. Exercise helps as well to keep everyting moving along as it should. Not hard core jogging or anything that drastic, but a brisk 30 min walk, (and I do mean brisk, not just dawdling along like you have all day), has pretty much the same effect. In the past (when I was in a relationship) I found the walks also helped as my partner would often walk with me and we could talk about whatever may be worrying us at home or at work. A very pleasant side effect of taking up walking. With the weather hopefully improving soon (as in the arrival of Spring), talking a brisk walk is no real chore. (It can take some motivation to go walking when it is barely 40 outside....and more so for those folks who live in snowy areas!)
Hope this helps you understand the difference between Codeine and Hydro.
D2003
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rainydays
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no i havent purchased from them before....i seen a link to them from a recent post....i have never purchaed from any iop and have only gotten meds thru buymeds before..3 times
i am very new to all of this and when i made my first purchase at buymeds i never sent any medical records or picture id to them so i didnt figure i would ever recieve from them but a week later i got my lortab and have since had 2 refills from them....has anyone else had this experience?
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