renolite
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Can someone explain the difference in these three drugs? Why do some sites sell Darvon and Darvocet and not Hydrocodone?
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yawkaw3
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Darvon is 65 mg of propoxyphene hcl.
Darvocet is either 50 or 100 mg of propoxyphene napsylate with either 325 or 650 mg of acetaminophen (the "cet" comes from acetaminophen, like in Percocet/Ultracet/etc.)
Hydrocodone is a much stronger, much more effective drug.
A lot of IOP's only carry Darvon/Darvocet and no hydrocodone. Generally hydrocodone is only available from US OP's.
-yawkaw
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FreddieC
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Which is stronger the Darvon or the Darvocett? Also, while I know hydro is stronger, isn't Darvon a different type of narcotic, so for those of us that are hydro intolerant after taking it for too many years, might the Darvon actually be stronger?
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Corrie
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I would say that Darvon and its' derivatives are one of the weakest of the opiates, just my experience. The Darvocet may work better for pain for some individuals just because of the added tylenol. I've also had the problem of tolerance arise, and Darvon didn't seem to touch my pain.
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NJ_Hoss
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Freddie,
While YMMV, Hydrocodone is generally considered to have more potent and powerful pain relieving properties. Although both are opiate/opioids, they do differ considerably, and if a Hydrocone tolerance exists, moving from one to the other may offer a temporary increase in overall relief; but it is likely to be of a relatively short duration as they both work on the same general mechanisms.
Dextropropoxyphene is more closely related to methadone in the opioid family than Hydrocodone, which is more closely related to codeine, and ultimately metabolized more closely to morphine. It's lower overall ability to relieve pain combined with it's less appealing euphoric side-effect also reflect the fact that its derivatives appears in Schedule IV of the Controlled Substance Scheudle, while Hydrocodone-based compounds appear in Schedule III.
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zeuzjuz
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Darvon/Darvocet is weaker than codeine (IMO), and codeine is about 1/6th the strength of hydrocodone analgesically (roughly) - so in my opinion they don't even begin to compare in pain relief.... I have taken Darvocet and couldn't tell the difference if I had taken an Aspirin.... If you already have a hydrocodone tolerance/dependence - then there is NO way you are going to get any relief from Darvocet.
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zeuzjuz
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The original question was why do some sites offer Darvocet and not Hydrocodone though.... This would depend on if you are talking about U.S OP's or foreign OP's - if U.S OP's, I believe Darvon is lower schedule than Hydrocodone? (could be wrong on this? But isn't Darvocet Sch IV?) With foreign OP's - you are simply just not going to find hydrocodone at all..... Even the countries where it is used (some countries in the EU DO have hydrocodone/oxycodone products, for instance Germany has a product called 'Oxygesic' which is basically exactly the same thing as U.S oxycontin.... (timed release oxycodone) - Even the foreign countries that do manufacture it, are most likely not going to ship it to the U.S, because it is most likely just as tightly controlled there as in the U.S . (Same reason that U.S consultation services do not offer services to customers outside of the U.S) - Therefore you are likely to only find low-dose codeine, tramadol, or Darvon/Darvocet from an IOP (international pharmacy) - This does NOT mean the country does not 'have' the higher strength opioids - it just means they aren't going to export it to consumers in the U.S
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gottadoit
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In my experience, darvocet and darvon are completely worthless. They did not touch my pain at all. The only time I would even consider bothering with these meds is if I was taking a hydro holiday. They would SLIGHTLY ease the discomfort associated with the holiday - but only slightly. There are much better medications out there for both pain and for holidays.
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zeuzjuz
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I agree - the last time I took Darvocet - it actually *gave* me a headache....
Also - Propoxyphene/DextroPropoxyphene (active ingredient in Darvon) is VERY bad for the liver, possibly even worse than APAP (if that's possible!  ), so Darvocet (basically Darvon compounded with APAP) - is about the most liver-toxic pain medicine there is. Infact some medical groups have requested it be discontinued / taken off the pharmacy shelves altogether because of the high number of poeple that have suffered liver damage due to Darvocet intake. Be careful.
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sjm
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It seems that way to me also, that is, darvon or darvocet does not seem to touch my pain although hydro- certainly can and will. Does anyone know anything about the taking darvon and hydro- ? Fifteen years ago, I was prescribed Tylox (oxycodone) and Darvon and I recall the combination of the two worked extremely well for me. I would worry about too much APAP if the combination included Darvocet (65mg propoxyphene napsylate and 400mg APAP), but if it was straight Darvon, 65mg, wouldn't there be a synergystic effect? Interested in your responses.
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Caveman6666
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Quote:
codeine is about 1/6th the strength of hydrocodone analgesically (roughly)
This is wrong.
http://www.globalrph.com/narcoticonv.htm
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manoman
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Actually, I don't think it's "wrong".
I've found varying and often conflicting numbers in searching around on many rx sites. I too have seen the 1/6 ratio Z mentioned (although I can't remember where at the moment)
I imagine it likely varies a lot between individuals too though, just like all rx drugs. Perhaps that's the reason it's difficult to find consistent documentation on equivalents between drugs.
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wblmpls
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There's some debate on this but the 6 to 1 ratio is about right. Even the name suggests that VI (six in roman num)CODIN (short for codine) meaning 6 times the strength of codine.
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wntnopn
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you recently said in a post that you thought there were better meds than darvocet for all our favorite hydro holiday. What do you use? Where do you get it? How much does it cost?
Thanks
from a Hydro with no fun on the holiday
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mhyb13
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I ask this question in another forum, sorry! I think this is the right one to ask. What are the above meds? Thank you for any help .
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NJ_Hoss
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Quote:
There's some debate on this but the 6 to 1 ratio is about right.
To be valid, any comparison should be on an "apples to apples" basis. With the above assumption, a tablet containing 5mg of hydrocodone would offer the same pain relief potential as 30mg of codeine phosphate, equating a single Vicodin 5/500 tablet with a single Tylenol 3 tablet.
Whether this is actually the case, YMMV.
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wblmpls
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Point well taken, however by defenition this argument cannot fit an "apples to apples comparison". This is an issue of equivocation and it is axiomatic that Vic's were originally approximated at a 6 to 1 strength ratio (remember the name thing?). Now what happens in real people scenarios may/will be completly/slightly different. IMO, I think it's more a 7.5 or 8 to 1 ratio.
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NJ_Hoss
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You mean it wasn't named for its developer, Vic Odin? 
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joesentme
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Hey, what happened to Clooney? 
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leapwells
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Does anyone know a good IOP for Darvocet N-100. Any info would be appreciated
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wblmpls
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Quote:
You mean it wasn't named for its developer, Vic Odin?
You know, I never thought of that....
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