lala
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Loc: michigan
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Can someone tell me how to switch ISP address without changing the actual provider themself? I hope this makes sense, but I was reading somewhere online; that you can switch addy's as an added tool for privacy protection. I'm not sure if it's true but,I'd like to find out. Can someone please update me on this? I'd really appreciate it. Also, I was trying to order some meds for my neighbor and it wouldn't go through because I placed an order for myself a couple of weeks ago, and my order info came up therefore, the website wouldn't process it. How can I get around it. My neighbor doesn't have a computer and I don't know what to tell her. Has anyone experienced this before? That's another reason why I want to know about switching addy's.
Thanks for your help.
lala
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Julz
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Reged: 11/17/03
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Loc: NJ Shore
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lala~
I'm not positive on this one, but check it out- go to your Control Panel, then Internet Options. You can change to another ISP, but I dont think you can use the same one without the computer recognizing your main user. You might be able to sign on under Internet Explorer, say, for example, if your regular ISP is AOL. Again, I'm not positive on this one.
By the way, I love your signature quote!! 
Good luck!
Julz
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cadman1
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Reged: 09/25/03
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Loc: South USA
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Lala,
yes indeed you can switch up your address and even make it invisible with a program called the anonymizer... Since I am not promoting a op, I hope I dont get kicked off for posting this site, but www.anonymizer.com has a program that will mask your IP address.
take care
surf silently
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Trampy
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... yes indeed you can switch up your address and even make it invisible with a program called the anonymizer... Since I am not promoting a op, I hope I dont get kicked off for posting this site, but www.anonymizer.com has a program that will mask your IP address.
Well, anonymizer.com is not *really* anonymous, though they make that claim. When you use them, your web browsing is as anonymous as one-layer 128-bit SSL for anyone with a packet sniffer on the network. 128-bit SSL has been broken. And the company keeps track of all your web connections, any identification of you, payment information, all IP addresses, etc., and they will surrender everything upon any court's order. Anonymizer.com itself can also be hacked, though it's probably very difficult.
If you want true anonymous web browsing, you need to use chained proxy servers sending multiple-layered encrypted traffic to remailer servers. The U.S. Navy Office of Naval Research developed a very secure system for doing this and they even made an early version available to public access for a while. It's all open technology right now but they might later plan to patent their system to keep it out of commercial use. Do a Google search for "onion routing". That's the name the Navy gave their concept. Onion routing can be good enough to be practically unbreakable and untraceable. That's why the military wants it. They want to use it for themselves.
Trampy
P.S. On any Windoze machine it's practically impossible to spoof your IP ... but if you're running Linux and have a TCP/IP switch somewhere, your traffic can be traced back to the switch and that's probably a dead end. There are some very good forensic network analysts who would be hard to fool.
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cleo911
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Go to the public library to place the order.
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lala
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Reged: 06/21/03
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Loc: michigan
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Thanks, I thought about doing that.But,how can I receive email notifications about the order without going back to the library?
Can you use a different email addy? For instance, yahoo or something? Instead of my own email addy? I'm not sure if that would matter or not. Since, the same ISP # would come up.
lala in lala land
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lala
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Reged: 06/21/03
Posts: 140
Loc: michigan
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thanks Julz, I'm gonna try IE and see what happens.
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lala
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Reged: 06/21/03
Posts: 140
Loc: michigan
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Thanks,Trampy. You sound quite knowledgable in this area. Really good info.I'm going to look up "onion routing".
Thanks everyone.I appreciate all the really good advise and I'm going to try each one and see what happens.
That's why I love this forum/board.  I don't need a Psychiatrist after all; I have all you guys here. 
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cleo911
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Do you have a yahoo addy? If not, go to the library and sign up for one. You can then use your computer to check your yahoo email. Also, if you place the original order at the library, your ISP won't be revealed when you check the yahoo email on your computer.
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bakzero
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Reged: 11/18/03
Posts: 54
Loc: PA
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To view your ip go to Start the Run and type command
at the dos prompt type ipconfig.
Depending on what ver on windows that you have type ipconfig /release_all or ipconfig /release
Then type ipconfig /renew _all or ipconfig /renew
Then type EXIT
This will release and renew your ip address but will ont mask it.
There are programs that do mask it.
But I do not advise you of getting them. Few IP will not able you to mask you ip address.
Just like to comment before, go to a public place where you have computer access with internet and place a order there.
Good luck
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zorg
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You can change your IP until the cows come home, but the ISP is still going to use the same netblocks. When you change your address via whichever mechanism, you're still pulling an address in the same netblock. Using proxy servers works as long as you select one that you've tested to be anonymous , but beware, 99.9% of all proxies out there that people think are protecting their source address, add the following to the header: "X-Forwarded-for: x.x.x.x". The x.x.x.x would be you. The only way to hide your IP address and expect to receive a reply to your request is to use a truly anonymous http or socks proxy that you yourself have tested to be anonymous..... hitting a webserver who's logs you can see, and assuring the "X-forwarded-for:" field is not present in the header. Squid, the most common proxy on earth, is configured by default to NOT hide this header field, so you're probably not hiding as you suspect you may be.
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Sweetz
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Loc: Texas!
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I may be repeating other posts, but FYI:
ISP = Internet Service Provider
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Spectre13
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What is your opinion about the efficacy of SSH tunnel-tech like that found at http://www.secure-tunnel.com ? I've been using it for awhile to tunnel thru my ISP which is local to the area. I can picture bored techs kicking back and looking at traffic just for kicks. I think it's best to get this service straight from the source seeing as the member's area login is secure. Contrast that, for example, to a reseller like http://www.securenntp.com who ruins it with an insecure member's area login (with the username and password being the same as that used for the tunneling software itself - not good). Furthermore, they don't even tell you to switch off your Java in the setup section. Java will hand your true IP over on a silver platter to anyone asking for it.
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Trampy
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If this system is as advertised, the only people who will have records of what you do are the people at secure-tunnel.com. SSH is better than SSL and it's a good idea to have all the traffic go through just one port. So it's an improvement on anonymizer.com. But they say right up front that they can scan your traffic for spamming and will cough up all information on any court's order.
If you want to be anonymous, the easiest thing is to use various public computers located in places without surveillance cameras.
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night_shade
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5 years ago it was possible to surf the web "anonymously" IF you knew what you were doing. Now, it just isn't feasible for the average user. EVERYTHING is available with a court order and your Internet Service Provider (original poster meant IP, I presume, NOT ISP) would still have record of your online activity--ESPECIALLY cable/DSL users.
I second the advice to go to an internet cafe or other public computer to avoid record of online activity.
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Sweetz
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The few times I had to use a library computer, they wanted a drivers license or some sort of ID and I had to sign in and out noting the time I was on the computer. So, if something got traced back to the computer I was using, they could still hunt me down.
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night_shade
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Yep, it's the same in the libraries in my area. Library card AND photo ID is required and you must sign the log book when you get on and when you get off. To avoid people lying about times, they now have a computerized system in which people must literally "log in" and "log out"...
Big Brother is EVERYWHERE nowadays!
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Trampy
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Quote:
Yep, it's the same in the libraries in my area. Library card AND photo ID is required and you must sign the log book when you get on and when you get off. To avoid people lying about times, they now have a computerized system in which people must literally "log in" and "log out"...
Big Brother is EVERYWHERE nowadays!
Texas and Minnesota, huh? I'd never live in those places. Not everywhere is like that. The city council here passed a resolution instructing all city employees (including police) that they are not to comply with federal Patriot Act requests for confidential personal information on our citizens ... unless they come with a court order. Over fifty cities have passed such laws.
Trampy
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DrugBuyers
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Most sites keep track of visitors by using "cookies". The "IP's" are not used for this as different people may share the same IP. AOL users may share the same IP at one time or the other...
To solve the problem simply delete your cookies.
But before you do that make sure you save to paper all your usernames and passwords 
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Tred
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Loc: USA
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I have a thing called WindowWasher by webroot. It basically erases all places I've visited and anything that isn't a perminent folder on my computer. I've always thought that this was sufficient, but recently someone told me a person could still find out locations I've visited, even though I have this service. Anyone know why erasing cookies, ect wouldn't be good enough?? Drugbuyers seems to think it's good enough right???? Hmmm. ohh well, I'm not really that worried about it, since I plan to be as legal as possible.
Tred =)
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Seano
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Loc: Shelbyville
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It might be a reasonable assumption that DB itself would loudly alert it's clientele to the reality of some Fedgoons arriving with a warrant to search it's records, no ? OR is the site fairly hackable, and some jailed hacker turned superspook for reasons of plea-bargain might just be sitting there as we speak remotely tracing people's posts in the "Enter at your own Risk" section, for example ? Paranoid, paranoid, paranoid, but look at the country you are now living in, and all the anonymous users, and the recent DB press...
I go down to various public places such as the copy shop or cafe or whatever when I feel the need to browse privately. AirPort makes this pretty Best if kept off the board anonymous, if you can afford it and find a good lil' coffee shop or three with a wide range on their bases...And, as far as I can tell, certain "questionnaire" and/or "records" sites are still somewhat legal, for now.
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neonsign2003
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go to goggle, type in, "web based proxy" simple
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night_shade
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If I recall correctly, DB is not located in the United States and would therefore not be compelled to comply with any search warrant issued by a US court.
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dixiechick
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I own an internet cafe/coffeshop and i dont requier ID or Drivers license. I consider that an invasion of the persons privacy. I do have people sign in and out but that is simply to know how much to charge them. If the library requires ID, check your phone book for the closest internet cafe.
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