mac61
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Dr. Phil's program this week showed a woman and her husband studying a computer monitor and complaining how the cost of Vicodin had increased. She takes 35-40 pills a day and Dr. Phil told her she didn't need outside intervention to stop as that drug could be stopped cold turkey. (She told him she had tried before and could not do it on her own.} He seemed sympathetic and willing to help the other guests, who were addicted to ephedra, sex, and I don't remember what else. He seemed cruel and judgemental to her, in my eyes.
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In my humble opinion, Dr. Phil is a big waste of space. But then again, so was my post. I hate resorting to juvenile insults, but there are a selct few who ellicit such emotion from me. He is definantly one of them. Sorry.
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yawkaw3
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I was at the pharmacy the other idea, and I see how now sells his own diet bars? I guess low carb stuff? Man, that guy is capitalizing on everything- and he owes it all to Oprah (and her yo-yo'ing weight). I really can't stand either one of them.
-yawkaw
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Lyncher
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I don't pay any attention to Dr. Phil. Does he have any credentials in this area that should make anyone else pay attention?
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zoe11
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I work as a psychotherapist, and I don't know anyone in my business who can stand Dr. Phil and his voyeuristic show. No one could quit 30-40 pills a day cold turkey. Good gawd, that's dangerous.
JMHO
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catmom
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I agree Zoe!!! And BTW I still love your avatar!  Catmom
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Opie_Yates
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I work as a psychotherapist, and I don't know anyone in my business who can stand Dr. Phil and his voyeuristic show. No one could quit 30-40 pills a day cold turkey. Good gawd, that's dangerous.
JMHO
zoe
Can you imagine his liability if on TV he advised someone with an 8-10 mg per day Xanax habit that they could do it cold turkey? Man, the AMA would have his keester in a sling.
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mpcagh
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Well I guess its obvious that he has never read (or doesn't care about) the inserts that come with a Vicodin prescription. You know.....if taking this drug for an extended period of time do not suddenly stop taking it. Consult a doctor. And definetely not Doctor Phil....one that actually knows what they are talking about!
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potatoboy99
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She takes 35-40 pills a day and Dr. Phil told her she didn't need outside intervention to stop as that drug could be stopped cold turkey.
As others have noted, this is dangerous nonsense. How anyone calling himself a doctor could give that kind of advice is just astonishing.
And why do Americans so love to take their intractable and debilitating Personality Disorders, Marital Problems, and Teen-Rebellion crises onto national telelvision? Do they think if they parade their moral and spriitual failings in front of an audience of millions of couch potatoes, that somehow the 38 seconds of advice they get from the host willl be more valuable than a short hour in the psychotherapists office? How do they face their neighbors after all the dirty linen is aired on the air? At least Jerry Springer is funny, kind of like Pro Wrestling. Doctor Phil is a stuck up bore, floating on the puff-cloud of his own massive ego.
And have you noticed how miserable his grown son looks, whenever he's anywhere near his dad? And how completely relaxed and likeable he becomes when he gets the heck off that soundstage and out into the real world? That about sums it up right there I think.
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Lyncher
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I work as a psychotherapist, and I don't know anyone in my business who can stand Dr. Phil and his voyeuristic show. No one could quit 30-40 pills a day cold turkey. Good gawd, that's dangerous.
JMHO
zoe
That's what I'm talking about. If someone in the field doesn't think it's good advice, why should anyone else listen to the guy on the tube. Just because you're on TV doesn't mean you know things! 
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t_oshan2003
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Dr. Phill is an idiot! I wish that show was cancelled. The guy knows he can make money by hosting all these weight loss shows and claiming to heal people, he's like a cult leader.
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Dilaudid
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I don't understand how he sells alot in the weight loss buisness...the guy is a fat boar himself.. look at him..Nothing is more of a joke than a fat guy talking how he knows everything about weight loss... He's taking advantage of rich, fat unhappy housewives who are gullible...Dr. Phil what an oppritunist!!!
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t_oshan2003
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well said!
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lemongrass
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Suits are slimming...they're supposed to be. Look at Bill Curtis. Handsome looking gent when he's well-dressed. But I know the body type that exists under those concealing clothes and Dr. Phil literally has nothing to brag about, rather, he should be ashamed.
He's nothing but a money-hungry mongrel trying to grope for every dollar that we (the public) will dish out to him for his false, hypocritical, misleading advice. And people actually FALL for it! That's what gets me. Too bad the man couldn't make it on his own merits and not ride the coat tails of Ms. Winfrey.
I never solicited his advice and I wouldn't 'til this day.
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carrigaline
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They say everyone needs a mentor...I guess Oprah was his.
I don't like the end of the show, where Dr. Phil swings by to pick up his wifey and they walk out of the studio hand in hand. That just looks so contrived.
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sjm
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In this exciting (?) episode, we once again see the bold Dr. Phil inserting himself as a resident expert on addiction counseling. Why bother to pay someone with real credentials as a guest when the good doctor can masquerade as the knowledgeable expert and pocket the difference. Half of his audience is too busy clapping to listen and the other half is too brain-dead to understand. I wonder if Phil could withdraw cold turkey from television? Doubt it.
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zoe11
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Bravo to all of you. It's worriesome to me to see him and his advice that is most of the time cruel I think. Geeze, when someone is in the storm, the last thing they want to hear is "get over it." "You're being a victim."
What's up with the weight loss????? He's just getting richer by the minute and expoiting poor folks along the way.
I agree -- Jerry Springer is funny. It's got to be mostly made up, but Dr. Phil thinks he's so superior. YUCK!!!
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cloudy
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What a perfect comment!!!! I think you really hit it head on!!! I guess you could compare DR Phil to a cult leader and the placebo effect. Yes, the people in his weight loss groups are losing the weight but it isnt because of him. It is because they view him in such a light that they have to succeed or he will view them as failures and if DR Phil (the almighty) views them as failures, then that would just be the worst thing to ever happen to them!!! LOL They have a sick obsessive view of DR Phil. I cant believe he even dared step foot into the weight loss arena and now he is an addiction guru????? He is not an addiction specialist, he proves that by telling people to go cold turkey!!! With such a casual attitude!!! As if a person who stops taking a drug that they are physically dependant on is the same level as stopping addictive behavior on the computer such as too much chatting and/or message board participation. You cant have physical (possibly deadly) complications from limiting computer usage. He didnt actually say this comparison but this is the type of attitude he seems to convey when giving advice to his "followers".
To me, his advice is just down right STUPID!!!!!
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lemongrass
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Um, I was at the Jerry Springer show last August and it is REAL! I was an audience member, of course, but it was funnier than s*h*i*t! This he/she thing came out and it was simply the most absurd, but realistic thing I've ever experienced. It's actually better live than on television. you literally get to interact and it's a lot fun, if you're into that type of thing. I can be seen in quite a few shots, too. I have a copy of the tape that I'm holding onto with dear life. LOL
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domain
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Last time I looked Dr. Phil has a PhD not an MD or DO.
Friend of mine is a PhD like Dr. Phil, he said while he may talk to patients about addiction, and may have a decent working knowledge of the various drugs, he is in no way qualified to dispense advice that should come from a medical doctor. As far as he knows in the US, PhD's can not prescribe meds therefore they should not offer advice or counseling concerning treatment topics in the "physical" realm.
With Phil's advice you can bet he will see some sort of lawsuit in his future.
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dndcollect
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I didnt see Dr Phil tell the person to go cold turkey. If that is true, that is shocking, I didnt think he was that ignorant.
I do think that if you are up to over 20 pills a day you either have to wein yourself down, try other different opiate medications or go into detox.
I dont see a point in going into detox if you are a chronic pain sufferer, because when you get out of detox and you are off the drugs, the pain still is there.
I am a chronic pain sufferer, I am 26 years old and have horrible back pain. My main goal is to keep my tolerance to opiates as low as possible because its very easy to get into a habit with hydrocodone where you are taking way more than you should. That is why I research drugs theroughly and I use several different kinds of pain killers as to keep my tolerance low.
I think alot of the people you see on these shows are simply out of control or not very bright, how anyone could let themselves take 50 pills a day and spending $5,000 a month on pain medication is beyond me. Its probably safer and cheaper to shoot herion in that case.
These people give true chronic pain sufferers a bad name and the "junkie" label. If you are getting to a point where you are taking too much medication it is vital you research options on your own if your doctor wont help.
As usual the american public likes to blame the abused item rather than the people abusing it. It is not hydrcodone's fault that a person doesnt not have the intelligance or common sense to prevent themselves from taking 50 a day, nor is it oxycontins fault that some freaking moron decides to snort it up his nose.
The masses love to blame everyone but themselves, in the mean time the people who really need the meds cant get it because of idiots.
Anyway, I am getting of topic here I think, this post just opened a can of worms. Anyway, bottom line, Dr Phil needs to learn more on the subject if he is telling people to quit opiates cold turkey. That could be deadly, god, even I know that!
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yawkaw3
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I think alot of the people you see on these shows are simply out of control or not very bright, how anyone could let themselves take 50 pills a day and spending $5,000 a month on pain medication is beyond me. Its probably safer and cheaper to shoot herion in that case.
No one does that intentionally- no one goes into it hoping to be an addict some day. What starts off as an occasional buzz becomes the most important thing in your life. Addiction is incredibly misunderstood by most people- they can't just stop, any more than a person with depression can just "snap out of it." Addiction is a disease that needs treatment- people taking that many pills and spending that much have lost control of their lives, they're not doing it on purpose- they are aware of what is going on but can't help themselves. That's the nature of addiction.
And btw, Dr. Phil has a PhD in psychology. *ONLY* medical doctors (which includes a doctors of osteopathy) are qualified to diagnose and treat medical illness, to admit you to a hospital, or to prescribe medication. A doctor may recommend therapy from a psychologist, but a PhD shouldn't be the only person treating addiction, unless the person is already clean, safe, and has seen a doctor.
With that said, in some states (I believe Arizona), a psychologist with additional training can prescribe some medications. They have to be working with a doctor at the time, the way I understand it is that a psychologist joins a practice and verifies things with the doctor. The reason for this is to allow more people to get better treatment, though I think they should always be required to work with a doctor.
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