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How can I test pills
      #130391 - 01/20/04 03:49 PM

Does anyone have any advice on what I should do.......

I received a package for Fenfluramine (diet aid) and they were sent from Hong Kong. The meds came via discreet packaging, but were not in any original packaging. When I got it open, the individual pills were actually getting stuck to the wrapper that covered it.

I wanted to know if anyone out there can give me any sort of advice on how to test the pills to see if they are actually what they are said to be.

Other than an insert describing the medication, there are no markings on the pills that would in anyway help me in determining what they really are.

I mean I am brave, but not brave enough to risk my health by taking an unmarked, timy yellow pill, that was not in any original packaging, just because I am hopeful that a stranger from Hong Kong actually sent me the correct medication. No way, not in this day and age.

So now I am sorta stuck. I know that many of you one here have mentioned different ways to find out if the medications are really what they say they are. But is that mainly with opiates, or with other meds too? I want to find out so bad, but I do not have any kind of clue how to actually do it.

I remember reading something on here that said the best way to find out the chemical make-up of a pill, is to take it to a poison control facility and tell them you found pills in your childs drawer, and they were only in a baggie so you are concerned with what your son or daughter may be taking without your knowledge.

I thought that was brilliant, but when I looked up the nearest poison contol, I found out it was almost 2 hours away from me. Gee Whiz....I always thought every town had to have a poison control office. Or at least there should be one in a town with a big university (my town does, and a huge medical school). So much for taking the pills to be tested at poison control.

SO.......can anyone please help me figure this one out. I mean I was so happy when I finally received these meds after searching for SOOOOOOOOOOO LOOOOOOOOOONG! But now that they are here, I am only able to hold them in my hand and stare. I am close to saying, "oh scr*w it, I will be OK" but how would I ever explain that to my family if something did go wrong?

They have been there for me throughout my failed back surgery and have supported me when I wanted to give up, and never say anything negative about the 40-45 lbs. I gained since the back surgery. But if I did something this stupid, and I ended up either getting sick, or WHATEVER, I do not think they would be all that understanding any more, you know?

OK, so I welcome any and ALL advice out there, and remember, there are NO STUPID QUESTIONS OR STATEMENTS ABOUT DRUG IDENTIFICATION(S), ONLY STUPID PILLS.

Um, what?? Ya, sorry, pretty lame, I know. Just thought I would rope in the help if I asked for it in the most ridiculous way possible. Ha.


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Re: How can I test pills [Re: flea]
      #130416 - 01/20/04 05:11 PM

Flea,
If I remember correctly Fenfluramine was banned in the U.S., cuz after long-term usage there's been a causal relationship betwwen PPH (Primary Pulmonary Hypertension) and also Vavular damage to the heart. I wouldn't take it, even if it was the "REEL" thing. Both these conditions are irreversible and totally "incompacitating". I don't know, even if you wanna take a chance, you have to "REELLY" watch chinese medicines, some of them contain "Mercury" in small amounts of course. But I wouldn't mess with them. I had a friend who went to "China Town" here in New York and brought something called "Tiger Bone Drink", he said when he drank a shot of thing it made feel warm all over and kind of energized (It's suppose to contain pulverized tiger bone), well actually the drink had herbals but also contained small amounts of "Mercury", which explain the rise in body temperature. You might want to try a different diet med, one that has a long-term proven record, like "phentermine hydrochloride" (Fastin) or "Benzphetamine" or (Didrex), both of these appetite suppressants have been used for a long time, and they both have short-term side-effects (which are consistent with these type of meds), but there hasn't been any reports of long-term problems associated with them when they are used as directed. Of course, there always the possibility of addiction with these meds. I guess that's just a chance you'll have to take. Good Luck on your decision!!.

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Re: How can I test pills [Re: Reel_X_4U]
      #130429 - 01/20/04 06:31 PM

If I'm not mistaken, Pondimin (fenflurmine) are small round orange colored pills with some letters of the company on them. I think the letters a and r although I pretty sure there is another letter. AHR?

Keep them for a day you feel like driving those 2 hours to the poison control. Good luck.


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Re: How can I test pills [Re: flea]
      #130440 - 01/20/04 07:34 PM

Did you try posting a description or a photo on www.idthispill.com? It's run like a message board, you ask for an ID and someone posts a reply with some ideas, hopefully to confirm what you think you have,.

It drives me nuts when IOP's send re-packaged loose pills with no product inserts or identification of any kind. Often they arrive WEEKS after ordering, so you have to try to remember what you ordered, and from which IOP.

I have had baggies full of codeine pills arrive from Medsindialtd, baggies full of Soma arrive from clickdrugstore.com, baggies full of methylphenidate arrive from someplace in Pakistan. All with absolutely no identification of any kind.

It's scary, both from a health point of view (What Are These Mystery Pills I Am Putting In My Body?), and from a legal point of view. Who knows how customs would react to baggies of unidentified pills? This is one reason I have pretty completely STOPPED using IOP's.

Good luck!


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Re: How can I test pills [Re: potatoboy99]
      #130520 - 01/21/04 12:51 AM

Reel,

I had initially posted about the Fenfluramine in a different area, and when I did so, I also included somwhat of a "disclaimer" stating that as much as I completely appreciate the people who are concerned enough to take the time to write about the possible medical ramifications associated with the Fenfluramine (Pondimin) I also wanted to add that I have already educated myself about the side effects of this drug, and to be honest, at this time, I am still planning on taking them. I am sure that may sound unbelievable to many of you out there, and trust me, I do value your opinions, and I do not mean to disrespect those of you that have suffered from these side effects, or if any of your family members or close friends may have had any of the heart problems after taking the Phen-Fen before it was pulled from the market, but at this time I am still planning on taking them for a few months. Of course that is only if I can get a positive ID on them

By the way, thanks POTATOBOY that was some of the best advice I have ever gotten here, you are a rock star.....seriously, I am going to give the whole picture submission a try. Awesome, thanks soooo much

Now Reel, I wanted to include a few thoughts behind my choice. For one thing, I had taken Phen-Fen for several months before they were pulled and I had lost quite a bit of weight. Although it was more like the freshman 15 and an ever so attractive beer gut that I was trying to lose back then. Nothing like the weight I put on from this surgery.

Now, because of the major side effects linked to these meds, I went and had an EKG and every other heart test out there, just to be sure I was OK. Luckily, I had a clean bill of health. No sign of PPH, or any sort of heart, or heart valve problems. These tests were done 2 years after I had taken them.

Then in Nov 2002, before I felt comfortable enough going under for my back surgery, I wanted to once again get everything checked out. So again I went through all of the tests and once again came through w/flying colors.

Now, if any tests or physical signs had shown even the slight possibility of any of the problems, there would be NO WAY I would ever try it again.

So again, although I appreciate your concern, really, I think I am still going to give it a short try.

OK, also...Initially when I asked my fellow DB'ers if anyone had any possible sources for the Fenfluramine,I immediately became inundated with PM's from several very pis*ed off people who unlike Reel, were pretty rude. Somehow they were offened that I could actualy be so insensitive as to ask where to find Fenfluramine when there were people out there that got PPH from taking it. But there were also several other people who like myself, were desperately searching for it as well.

My answer to the rude people, was pretty much the same response above (except when I responded to those people I was angry at them for attacking me, and with Reels post, I only felt that there was real concern for my health and that was absolutely sweet. Oh, I mean REEL concern for my health.

As for those meanies that PMed me, or to anyone else that get's an urge to become mean because I want to take Fenfluramine for a few months, all I can say is that I am an adult and should not be chastised by others out there who also frequent a fabulous website entitled "drugbuyers". I mean this is not the cookie of the month club here. I like many others here are suffering with chronic pain, so we are always searching for pain medications. Well most of us are aware that there "can be" some negative effects associated with a lot of opiate and other medication use, or abuse. I mean there are people out there who have gotten ill from taking the pain meds, or may possibly have become addicted to pain medications. But the difference here is that I do not see any sort of correlation between those who may have died from an overdose, or who have become addicted from opiates, with those of us that are dealing with chronic pain issues and take the meds for that reason. Yes, the Fenfluramine would only be used for weight loss, and not physical pain, but it sure has added to the mental pain I am dealing with due to the weight gain. Oh, and wait a minute. The weight has also added to my PHYSICAL pain as well, since the more weight I gain, the worse my back seems to get.

Lastly, I wanted to add to REEL'S post by saying that the Fenfluramine is not an herb. I think that was what you were saying, right? Anyway, I do not know if you meant to say it was an herb or a natural product or not, but because it sounded like that to me, I wanted you to be clear that it is not at all a natural product. Maybe you were talking about ephedera.

Also, you asked if I should maybe just stick to Phenterimine as it is not as dangerous, well I have taken Phenteremine for a couple of years now, and it no longer helps me lose weight. Plus, there are studies published out there that suggest Phentermine is also a possible cause for PPH. I found that out when I was doing more research on Fenfluramine before I actually received it.

Sorry again for the long post guys. I guess I just always have so much to say! But thanks again for all the advice you gave!

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Re: How can I test pills [Re: flea]
      #130537 - 01/21/04 04:26 AM

Quote:

all I can say is that I am an adult and should not be chastised by others out there who also frequent a fabulous website entitled "drugbuyers". I mean this is not cookie of the month club here

So off topic, but that is just soooo funny how you put that. thanks for the laugh, flea!!
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Re: How can I test pills [Re: chevygal]
      #130544 - 01/21/04 05:42 AM

I KNOW a chemist who works for Dupont Labs. on the EAST COAST and I have used him many times in the past to test STEROIDS AND OTHER FAKED (ON THE BLACK MARKET) DRUGS. He is very professional and gives you a complete lab analysis DATA SHEET on the medication that he TESTS for you.I have used him atleast 13 times -NEVER ANY PROBLEMS! (This is how it works - I give you his email address ,you give him as much info.about the medication being tested as you can, example- where it was shipped, etc... and he will email you back requesting a sample of the med. (5 pills are what is required.) he will give you a shipping address to send pills/ amps/ or bottles, etc...(he tests mostly steroids-but he will test anything!) you must also send a $35.00 western union money order or cash -to cover the cost of testing supplies,etc... within a week after sending payment and sample -You will receive a analysis data sheet (this tells you the make-up of the medication you have sent.)The service he runs is NON-PROFIT -HE JUST WANTS PEOPLE ESP. BODYBUILDERS TO KNOW WHAT THEIR ARE PUTTING INTO THEIR BODIES (BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY!) IF YOU ARE REALLY INTERESTED?,PM me and I will give you his email address, so you can get your test going. Hope the info. helps, THANKS, CHEESE

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Re: How can I test pills [Re: CHEESE]
      #130878 - 01/22/04 03:42 PM

Oh my gosh, Who moved my CHEESE? Thanks so much CHEESY!!!! Wow, you are awesome! I was starting to think I was never going to get this thing figured out. But once I read your post I literally felt like doing, "I'll be the fat chick no more" dance around my living room (or as skinny girls like to call it "aerobics".) HA

But as soon as I jumped up to groove, I realized why I gained weight in the first place. Um.....cuz my back HURTS ALL THE TIME - -therefore I can not dance, run, elliptical - -or jump on anything nearly resembling the sort of
machine(s)that used to make me work up a sweat before this ever so lovely back pain began. (well most of those "machines" anyway). JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!

O.K. sorry. Really, that was a joke but probably in bad taste huh? It is the first thing that came to my mind. That's my problem here, I always write the first things that come to my mind. You know I really should watch it ya know. I mean why break any of my "normal" patterns that have been continually occurring since birth. You know the proverbial story of my life.......I can just see it now, after all of these months searching for the fenfluramine I FINALLY get it safe and sound into my kitchen cupboard. Yep, now there’s nothin' standing in between me and the very random looking, nondescript, rather small, bright yellow, round, PILLS! Um, exact for the poison that could be packed into them. Yes indeed. Either they will be miracle workers and after one day of taking them, 40 pounds will magically melt off while I sleep, or I will get severe stomach cramps, and large welts that go away in a day. Or the worst case scenario possible. A little creepy guy in Honk Kong overheard his parents saying "We can sell anything to those Yankees, as long as it looks like good deal to them and a bad deal to us" So he took all the medicine out of his parents cabinet and somehow smooshed them into the best darn looking "bright yellow pills" that Americans think are diet pills. Then he finds someone in the mid-west that is stupid enough to believe they will cause weight loss, sells them to that person and mails them out, all while he is learning his 3rd foreign language, and is taking violin, piano, flute and guitar lessons, and has already excelled at 3 or 4 sports well enough that he is now training for the junior Olympics.

So there you have it. Either I get really skinny, or a mild tummy ache and rash, or.... I DIE. OH WELL

Yes but now that I made my crude remark about the sweat induced machines I may or may not use, I probably will not get back on here and will lose every chance I had to finally find out if they are safe.

Yep, I finally find someone cool enough to give me the email addy of a chemist. Yes, - -a CHEMIST who would be willing to test the chemical make up of the pill but just as I am about to copy that email address down, I suddenly get banned from DB for insulting someone. Yep, so goes the story of my life!

Hmmm, so should I take that last part out? eh, no forget it. I will just take my chances. You know DB admin's I really am just kidding with ya!

Cheese, I am comin' to ya, thanks a lot and I'll type to ya soon.






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Re: How can I test pills [Re: flea]
      #132949 - 01/30/04 03:53 PM

CHEESE - -

I have already written you 2 PM's asking if you could send me the info for that friend of yours that is cool enough to do a chemical test on these pills i received from Hong Kong. I am just a bit curious why you have not gotten back to me.

If you changed your mind or if for some reason your contact guy is not able to help me out by testing the fenfluramine I would really appreciate it if you could at least let me know.

I have now had these pills for two weeks and have not been able to take them as I am still not comfortable.

Again, I appreciate your idea for helping me but if you can't help out I would rather know now in that I need to figure something out with this situation and I am getting really antsy.

If CHEESE can't help me with this, is there anyone else out there in DB Land that may know of anyone else that may be able to help me by testing the chemical contents of these pills?

I am getting a bit desperate here!!!!!!!!! Thanks in advance to anyone that can help!


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Re: How can I test pills [Re: flea]
      #133063 - 01/31/04 08:44 AM

FLEA I'M REALLY SORRY I HAVE BEEN VERY BUSY.I WILL PM YOU THE GUY'S EMAIL ADDRESS AND THE INFO ON HOW EVERYTHING WORKS TODAY! I PROMISE!! SORRY, CHEESE

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