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daisyrn
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my very very very first time
      #128288 - 01/11/04 07:49 PM

hi everyone, Im new here and love this site....Im learning soooo much. I have a question if you dont mind...This is my very first time ever ordering, and I chose NWW because I have read all the nice things you guys have had to say. Anyways The consult I understand is 120.00$ Now does that include consult and meds together? I already have a M.O. for 120.00, just confused about if the cost doesnt include the meds and shipping, when do they ask you to pay for the rest? another M.O? and then wait that much longer for the meds to arrive? I know I probaly dont make much sense, Just confused tring to learn.....Also, I have not had my consult yet, but how often does a doc turn down a script? I have medical records with a diagnosis...it just seems to good to be true. I really hope the suffering can end.

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shane369
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Re: my very very very first time [Re: daisyrn]
      #128291 - 01/11/04 08:01 PM

Welcome to the board. Well, for the consult fee of $120 you will get exactly that...a consult with a doctor. The meds are separate. I haven't used NWW as of late, but if I remember correctly my meds were able to come COD (if I am wrong please step in someone) Also, if you have records that have a diagnosis and that diagnosis would require the meds that you are requesting, then you will be a-ok.

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daisyrn
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Re: my very very very first time [Re: shane369]
      #128294 - 01/11/04 08:19 PM

maybe a silly question here, but I was actually diagnosed with myofascial pain syndrome/fibromylagia...my primary doc says this is not painful, however Im in severe pain...my doc was prescribing me lorcet at first however stopped because she said that lorcet is only used for temp pain....anyone ever heard such stuff? Just curious, I was starting to think I was crazy

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yawkaw3
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Re: my very very very first time [Re: daisyrn]
      #128297 - 01/11/04 08:54 PM

If you pay for your consult with a money order, you should pay for the meds COD with another money order. I always use credit cards though, makes everything a lot easier for me, and if anything goes wrong, you can always place a chargeback.

If you have medical records with a diagnosis, you'll be fine- you won't be denied a script.

As for what your doctor said about Lorcet, it's used for both acute and chronic pain. Some doctors are not comfortable prescribing opioids for long periods of time, so she was just trying to come up with a nice way of saying she's not going to give you pain meds forever. Pain Management doctors are generally the kinds of doctors who are willing to prescribe opioids in the long term.

-yawkaw


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daisyrn
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Re: my very very very first time [Re: yawkaw3]
      #128300 - 01/11/04 09:10 PM

you know I really cant understand why doctors have to be so paranoid....If someone is having pain, give them the pain medicine. What if it were them in pain?

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2muchpain
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Re: my very very very first time [Re: daisyrn]
      #128328 - 01/12/04 03:52 AM

I had a very candid discussion with my PCP about this topic. He told me his biggest worry is the DEA. He does not have a problem prescribing opioids for chronic pain, even though my lovely pharmacist has left him nastygrams stating she believes I am taking too much hydro (30 5/500's per week?) He did not appreciate her input. Nevertheless, he has cut me back to 20 per week, which just isn't working. I complained about the pharmacist but the damage has been done. Gee. Wouldn't it be nice if doctors were allowed to practice medicine without interference from non-physicians?

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mistya
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Re: my very very very first time [Re: daisyrn]
      #128337 - 01/12/04 06:29 AM

Daisyrn,

I just had my first consult with NWW this morning. They were very nice and they will ask what you want. I asked questions and the PA was very glad to answer them. The 120 is for the consult itself. Meds and shipping are extra. I asked for 2 meds and wasn't turned down. He just told me to make sure I have faxed over my medical records before refill time. I think if you go to their website and click on prices, you will see a list of meds they offer.
I hope you can get some relief soon.

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Sky_Queen
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Re: my very very very first time [Re: daisyrn]
      #128373 - 01/12/04 09:46 AM

Since when isn't fibromyalgia a painful condition??? That got my dander up this morning. I can hardly walk in the morning and I've heard the myofacial pain is terrible.

Anyway, as everyone has said above me you will be fine with NWW - get those records over to them to make their job easy - and usually about 3 hours or so after your consult you will get an email receipt - it will show what you ordered and the price and you should get a tracking # - not everyone does but I always have. If you are paying COD, which I do, your tracking number - the first two or three digits will be numbers, that is your COD amount - for instance: 99RTGKFWLS - that means $99 is my COD amount. The receipt might break that down. COD is an additional $12 with NWW, two day shipping is $18 I think...my friend paid $40 for overnight recently - which is awful high but she needed her order.

Anyway, you'll do fine and you'll be pleased with NWW. Depending on who you get for your consult, I have had them "suggest" I try a different strength medication - if you have your heart set just be firm and tell him what you want - or if you are open to their suggestions go with it. The slow part of the COD is paying for the consult, they typically won't set up your consult until they receive that money order- but once you have had your consult they get your order moving pretty fast.

Best of luck and I hope you get some relief soon. I was told by my regular doctor I look too healthy to have fibro (wish she could see me struggle to get out of bed in the morning) so that's when I turned to OP's. It's very frustrating but as 2muchpain or whoever it was above me said it was the DEA they were 100% correct - they are afraid.

Also, if you do have any questions not answered here you can email NWW - they are pretty good about answering emails. There is actually a thread going on over on the VIP side, a representative from NWW makes posts and answers people's questions. Also, if you join VIP you can get a $10 discount on your consult fee - it does add up over time. Just a thought and again, best of luck!


PS One last thought - the max count you can get with NWW is 90 - I have moved on to another OP for that issue alone. That's simply not enough for my pain so I tried another OP that offered 120 count. Just FYI....for next time. You have good records, so just something to think about.


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daisyrn
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Re: my very very very first time [Re: Sky_Queen]
      #128375 - 01/12/04 10:07 AM

Thank-you very much for your help! I cant begin to tell you how much myofascial pain syndrome sucks...My doc was treating me with lorcet for 3 months and then stopped...she told me that lorcet was only used temporarly. she would only give me a script for 20 max each time and expected me to take only one a day...my doc knows im in severe pain and recommended I see a pain shrink, never heard of them to be honest with you. I have tried all alternative methods of tratment..i.e. PT, acupuncture, chiropractor. Some days I feel okay, and others I cant get out of bed and I have two little ones to take care of. I came upon this site, was amazed...I thought it was illegal to order meds online! Figured I would take the chance seeing all the pain im in. A friend told me that it would be a bad idea because my doctor would find out, I would be arrested when I recieved my meds in the mail, and everyone in town would think I was some find of junky. Not to mention that im a nurse, and would probaly loose my nursing license. I really hope that I wont get into any trouble...

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NJ_Hoss
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Re: my very very very first time [Re: daisyrn]
      #128396 - 01/12/04 11:25 AM

Daisy,

Your statement

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you know I really cant understand why doctors have to be so paranoid....If someone is having pain, give them the pain medicine. What if it were them in pain?




is a little naive, don't you think? While prescriber's philosophies vary GREATLY along with their willingness to prescribe opiates (which is what I presume to be the issue at hand) there are numerous considerations that make a carte blanche, "if I feel I need them, I should get them" expectation unreasonable at best.

The doctor is "on the hook" for every prescription he writes, which includes exposure to potential civl, criminal, and regulatory liability should a patient be abusing, misusing, or harm should arise from, treatment.

It is very easy for pharmacists, many of whom are now PharmD (doctorate) graduates, why feel they posess, rightly or wrongly and sometimes in redheaded stepchild fashion, an equivalent insight into appropriate therapies and are eager to express their voice in their opinions of patient care. More than one doctor has had to defend himself to the medical board when an overzealous pharmacist has raised a red flag and pointed to him/her. Furthermore, whether real or imagined, the pharmacy is also responsible (albeit to a lesser extent) for every prescription it dispenses, including DUR (drug utilization review), the failure of having done so in light of a serious problem (overdose, contraindication, diversion) puts their licenses and livelihoods at risk, including potential civil and criminal penalties as well. In addition to revenue-sharing agreements, the understanding that a pharmacist will not question a prescriber's prescription or prescribing habits such an important and prevailant characteristic of virtually every OP in existence, and the reason they us a fixed set of pharmacies.

From a therapeutic perspective, there are MANY valid reasons for a physician to NOT reach for the prescription pad and pen the highest quantity of the strongest narcotic that may pass without scrutiny. First of all, the presence of SOME pain can be an EXTREMELY valuable signal to a potential or progressing problem. Many patients have used opiates and their derivatives as a means of supressing symptoms without ever treating or perhaps even truly identifying an underlying disease, which in the extreme, could have been relatively benign and treatable at its onset, but progress to being extremely serious, perhaps beyond the point of being treatable or life-threatening (such as an infection becoming septic, when the pain medication may mask the pain symptom AND the non-narcotic analgesic may supress tell-tale fevers). I certainly would NOT want that on MY conscience whether or not I could later rationalize it by having simply given a patient what he or she requested at the time. Second, there is much validity to the theory that the MOST appropriate medication is the LEAST strongest which will provide relief, which may or may NOT be a narcotic or the particular medication to which one is accustomed to receiving. Third, with every narcotic medication, abuse, dependence, and worst of all, addiction potential exists. While dependence may be medically perfectly appropriate during long-term treatment, addiction may not be; and in cases when there may have been an alternative, the prescriber can be civily and criminally responsible according to the law, not to mention one of the first precepts of the Hipocratic Oath, which is that doctors shall "do no harm". (Note: it is important to understand the fundamental differences between tolerance, dependance, and addiction.)

Yes, as a whole, chronic pain patients are woefully undertreated and there is both a VAST general lack of understanding and terrible fear among the medical community, by both physicians and pharmacists, of what constitutes inappropriate prescibing and the extent to which it may jeopardize the livelihoods for which they may have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and studied up to 12 years to achieve. While there are some practitioners who suffer from a God complex at their patients' expense, those at such an extreme are by far the exception, although even one is one too many. Furthermore, why would I expect any reasonable consideration on their part for my foremost concerns if I was not at least willing to try to appreciate theirs as well? No patient's license to seek medical treatment was ever lost as a result.

Forgive my diatribe, but expressing disdain at anything less than on-demand availability of powerful narcotics actually takes us farther away from a solution as it invites scrutiny (read law enforcement), cheapens a valid argument, and perhaps most of all, alienates those whose support we must have. If it sounds preachy, I didn't mean to, but the lack of consideration in the original question made it diffult to avoid. It demonstrates the self-same problem that makes such necessary medications so difficult or impossible to obtain, which is either ignorance of or a lack of appreciation to that which may be most important to another and which matters most when the two happen to conflict. In fact, it is the patient's responsibility to ensure that the prescriber is as well-informed as possible about his or her condition, as this is one of the cornerstones of seeking health care, which one must also assume is the real puprose of treatment, otherwise it is difficult to distinguish from simple drug seeking. I'm afraid that little will be accomplished with any measure of security as long as the primary focus remains "I should" and "I want" instead of "these are the reasons I should" and "this is the basis for my need".

To wit, I applaud the telemedecine providers and progressive medical community who strive, often at great personal risk (for which they are entitled to the substantial potential reward) for making difficult and powerful medications safely and more accessible. I believe they fulfill an absolutely critical need in today's society for which there is a terrible void that comes at the expense of those who must live with constant and/or intractible pain. Any moment an individual endures unecessary pain is an abomination, but the patient has to accept more responsibility than a simple and inviolate expectation of doctors being souces for prescriptions instead of health care, of which prescriptions, pain medications, and relief are all parts.

Just my $.02.


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lttlbit
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Re: my very very very first time [Re: daisyrn]
      #128410 - 01/12/04 12:09 PM

NWW told me when i had my first consult that I had to pay for the consult with my credit card and then my meds I paid for with a money order COD. But maybe they changed it and let you pay with a MO for the consult. I had my first consult back in NOv 03. Hope this helps you. PLease anyone correct me if I am wrong.




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Re: my very very very first time [Re: Sky_Queen]
      #128423 - 01/12/04 01:01 PM

SkyQueen,thank you for the info about the 1st few numbers being the amount of your meds.I e-mailed nnw and asked the amount and didn't get a answer to that,but I did get my tracking number.So I looked at the 1st 3 numbers and I remembered the amount,thanks again for the info.even though I'm not the one who asked.

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karib
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Re: my very very very first time [Re: daisyrn]
      #132877 - 01/30/04 10:39 AM

yup, to primary cares all pain meds are just "temporarily" no more then 2 months, then you should learn how to live with your pain, through meditation, or psycotherapy, or therapy or self help groups or some other nonsense.

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ez420
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Re: my very very very first time [Re: Sky_Queen]
      #132883 - 01/30/04 10:56 AM

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PS One last thought - the max count you can get with NWW is 90 - I have moved on to another OP for that issue alone. That's simply not enough for my pain so I tried another OP that offered 120 count. Just FYI....for next time. You have good records, so just something to think about.





if youve been reading the boards lately, the VERY helpful chris from nww has said they will be offering 120 count now if your condition warrants it. to me that puts my rating for nww from a 8 to a 9.5. they are an outstanding op.


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Sky_Queen
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Re: my very very very first time [Re: ez420]
      #132913 - 01/30/04 12:57 PM

Yes, I saw that post and since they already have my records I'm going back with them. I always liked NWW anyway, never had any problems with them. I have one refill left with another OP but when that's gone I'm going back to NWW. Thanks!



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lovely11
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Re: my very very very first time [Re: NJ_Hoss]
      #132927 - 01/30/04 01:51 PM

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Daisy,

Just my $.02.




Hoss,

Didn't you mean $2,000!

I hope you know I'm kidding, too.

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bratchild
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Re: my very very very first time [Re: yawkaw3]
      #132990 - 01/30/04 08:29 PM

Hi YawKaw3,
I was reading through the posts tonight, and I saw where you said to another DB'er that if you have medical records with a diagnosis, you will be fine-you won't be denied a script. I was wondering, what exactly is medical records with a diagnosis. The reason I asked is that one OP turned me down, I had my records, two or three pages worth, diagnosed with sciatica. I didn't have an MRI record or anything like that. Do you think what I have would be adequate with another OP? Thanks very much!
Brat

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yawkaw3
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Re: my very very very first time [Re: bratchild]
      #133000 - 01/30/04 09:22 PM

Gonna PM you on that one.

-yawkaw


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