chantal
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Does anyone know if Tramodol (Ultram) shows up on a drug screening test? I've read somewhere on the board where someone says, it doesn't. Is this true? And how can it not show up if the effect seems to be similar to opiates, such as very pinpoint pupils. Anyone know how long exactly tramadol stays in one's system. Appreciate some knowledgable comments.
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NJ_Hoss
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That's kind of an impossible question to answer, as there are many different types of tests, and it may appear on some broad exams. The best bet is to request the specific type of test in advance; you are certainly entitled to know before submitting a specimen. Furthermore, I would request specifically which substances are considered to be illicit with the true explanation that you are taking prescribed medication for which you can present a prescription. Nonetheless, knowing the specific test type and substances for which the examiner is screening is an essential starting point.
Best of luck.
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Dasani
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Tramadol will not produce a positive result with a five panel urinalysis screening, but "may" show positive on the 10 panel test. Elimination time for this drug, like Opiates is 48-96 hours. A Hair Follicle ananlysis will show a positive result for Tramadol up to 2 weeks after ingestion, depending on dosage and frequency. For more information, go to: www.drugtestsuccess.com/drugdetectiontimes.htm
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chantal
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Thanks, guys!!! Appreciate it very much!!!
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chantal
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One more question, what makes urine acidic, what kind of foods or beverages?
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Dasani
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Any alcoholic beverage or vinegar/pickle juice will, but don't try to dilute your test, it will certainly show up and that is an automatic failure. TRUST ME ON THIS ONE! Chances are, unless you have ingested a buttload of meds, they will not show up. Marijuana stays in the system the longest of any drugs and even that will usually not show up after 5 days with only moderate use. If your nervous, just drink lots of water and if questioned as to why your urine is so clear, simply explain to them that you like to stay hydrated because of exercise and health reasons. It's that simple.
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NJ_Hoss
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Of course, there's always The Whizzinator!
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Dasani
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Ya, do a search on the WHIZZINATOR on the boards and see what happened to that poor sap. Plus if you're a chick it might be a tad hard to explain.
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NJ_Hoss
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Wasn't intended to be serious. I HATE when the appropriate level of intended sarcasm doesn't quite make it into a post.
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chantal
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Thanks again, guys. That link is funny! Are they really watching when one goes into the toilet? I mean, is there someone actually present, right there, when one does it? Don't think I could do it at all simply out of embarrassement (I'm a female).
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Dasani
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NJ Hoss,
I wasn't being serious either! Did you see that article on the guy that got busted with it on the front seat of his car, it is classic. I know you weren't serious either. You come off a little more intelligent than that. Not much, but a little. Just kidding, Have a good one.
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Trampy
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Does anyone know if Tramodol (Ultram) shows up on a drug screening test? I've read somewhere on the board where someone says, it doesn't. Is this true? And how can it not show up if the effect seems to be similar to opiates, such as very pinpoint pupils. Anyone know how long exactly tramadol stays in one's system. Appreciate some knowledgable comments.
First of all, tramadol is not a federal controlled substance and it's more similar in structure to some serotonin-acting antidepressants than it is to opiates. Nonetheless, it is slowly metabolized (somehow) to something that acts like low levels of hydromorphone. They shouldn't be testing for it unless they suspect tramadol abuse ... and any hydromorphone metabolite would be far far below the 2000 ng/dl opiate federal cutoff set by SAMSHA.
I sincerely doubt it would show up on the cheap and inaccurate 5-panel "dip stick" urine drug tests by most private employers. It also should not show up on more expensive GC/MS or enzyme-based government or military job drug tests unless you're applying for a position that requires higher than a Top Secret clearance.
But any lab can test for tramadol in urine, blood, or hair ... if asked to do so.
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Edited by Trampy (01/15/04 10:01 AM)
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NJ_Hoss
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Did you see that article on the guy that got busted with it on the front seat of his car, it is classic.
I had seen it, which was the basis on which I became aware of its existence. I wouldn't be surprised if the idiot who left it on his car seat didn't order the wrong gender kit.
As for whether they actually stand and watch, some will stand outisde the stall, but I court-mandated exams very well may, and often do, come with an attendant watching.
I suppose that was the impetous for the Whizzinator(TM) (LOL) as it probably is the only bet when there's just no way of otherwise passing. Just the idea of ordering artificial dehyrdated urine slays me. Who says the internet hasn't changed the world?
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Chitownlady
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Last time I had to do a drug screen, when I went to the bathroom, there was a mirror directly behind the toilet seat and I felt someone watching me, kinda creepy, but they do watch you to make sure your not putting someone else's urine into the cup!
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theborg
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Not sure about Ultram but I know if you eat a poppy seed bagel you will test positive for opiates. No joke.
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Chitownlady
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I've heard that too, if you eat poppy seeds, the test will turn up positive.
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Trampy
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Not sure about Ultram but I know if you eat a poppy seed bagel you will test positive for opiates. No joke.
Well .... not if they follow the 2000 ng/dl federal opiate cutoff level set by SAMSHA. There were so many successful "poppy seed defense cases" that the opiate screening level was increased several-fold and in positive tests by government they also usually need to review the morphine:codeine levels of positive tests to rule out poppy seeds. (One exception might be CDL tests for truck drivers ... DOT ... i don't know about those).
As long as the 1960s discrimination laws are met, most states allow arbitrary and capricious hiring criteria by private employers.
So in most states private employers can use whatever cheap and inacurate tests that they want and under "employment at will" they can arbitrarily decide what test results are over the limit. Private employers that are not government contractors do not have to follow the SAMSHA guidelines and can generally do whatever they want in basing hiring on drug testing. Only a few states ban blanket pre-employment drug testing ... California being one. There they need a safety- or management-based reason for the test ... they can't just test everyone. ... Same there as federal law.
See the landmark Treasury Employees Union case where blanket tests by government agencies (federal and local) were held unconstitutional under 4th Amendment grounds.
Governments (both local and federal) can only test for "safety sensitive" positions due to 9th and 14th Amendment extensions to the 4th Amendment. If don't live in one of the states that regulate drug testing, your only legal guarantee of a fair testing process is to apply for a government job.
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sweat
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I used to get urine screenings twice a week for probation, And I was doin ultram and it never showed up. At least I never got in trouble, but should have if anything was in my system. Its not an opioid.
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chantal
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Thanks, Sweat!!! Makes perfect sense somehow.
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chantal
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Isn't all of this outrageous and invasive and degrading? Very medieval and witch-hunt like. Gee, and we're supposed to be highly civilized.
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NJ_Hoss
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Isn't all of this outrageous and invasive and degrading? Very medieval and witch-hunt like. Gee, and we're supposed to be highly civilized.
Yes, and in most cases, completely legal.
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manoman
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Just for the record though, Tramadol IS considered an opioid (albeit a synthetic, non-traditional one).
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