FooGoo
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Reged: 07/22/03
Posts: 19
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hi everyone, i've been a memeber for a while, and mostly done lurking. Well, here's my story, i've been with madison pain clinic for a while (about 2 years) also i've used Norco for 3 months when i wasn't with madison. I've been very pleased with both.
ok, lately, i've been wanting to get my insurance to pay for my pain meds...it's getting pretty hefty. I'm 25 year olds with a verifible condition in my right shoulder/scapula area. I've had 1 surgery and i've been in physical therapy for about 6 years. Recently i've had 'posture related pain', as my PT calls it. This basically means i have pain related to how my bones are and how i move. This, of course, cannot really be fixed. Right now i'm taking about 60mg of hydro a day...and i'm pretty stable with that dose.
now, on to the question, i have an appointment with a pain clinic this thrusday. My doctor gave me a referal to go there. I have 2 notes from my PT describing my condition, and it's pretty obvious when you look at my shoulder and back that it's screwed up.
My questions are: what do i have to expect, what should i say, what should i not say?
I'm hoping that since i have a referal, and notes from my PT that i won['t look like some junky drug-seeker (despite me being 25 years old).
also, my mom had an allergic reaction to a cortaszone(sp?) shot, should i freak out if they offer to give one (or will doing that make me look more like a junky?)
thank you so much, and this is a great board!
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to live, to love, to experience life without pain
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nomeds4U
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Reged: 12/09/03
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I went to a pain clinic, 2 actually and the first said I don't have any pain. The second gave me Lidoderm Patches. It just doesn't get much brtter than that. Hope your consultation goes better than mine did. What a waste of money.
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FooGoo
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Reged: 07/22/03
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whoa, i hope so too...did you have documentation and stuff that said you were in pain?
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yawkaw3
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Reged: 03/22/03
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Hi VicodinDream,
Regarding the cortisone shot...cortisone is a naturally produced steroid that comes from the adrenal gland, so to be allergic to cortisone itself (in injectable form, other forms are a different story) is almost impossible. When people are allergic to the shot, they are allergic to other components of the shot, which could be betadine (used to clean the skin), the anesthetic (or a bad reaction, but not an allergic one, to the epinephrine that is sometimes mixed in), the preservatives in the shot, etc. There are a variety of side effects that can occur with a cortisone shot, but they are not allergic reactions. Many times if there is one of these adverse reactions, the doctor will simply tell you it was an allergic reaction because it is a hassle to explain exactly what happened.
I'm of course not doubting your mom, I'm just giving you a FYI on this and the difference between an adverse reaction and a true, anaphylactoid allergic reaction. If the doctor wants to give you one, there is no need to freak out. Explain that you are willing to get the shot, but your mom had some bad side effects from it. Explain what side effects she got, and the doctor may very well be able to give you something that will work for you without the other stuff that can cause adverse reactions.
I'm assuming, based on what you've said, that your pain is caused by previous injuries that have built up over time, but correct me if I am wrong.
What is your situation on meds? Have you only been prescribed opiates by OP's, or has another doctor had you on long-term prescriptions for opiates? If you have been prescribed opiates by brick-and-mortar doctors, were they just for the acute injuries and the ensuing pain?
The problem with being 25 is not that the doctor thinks you are really a drug addict, but that he wants to avoid a lifetime of opiate dependence if it all possible. That explains the physical therapy, right? You've been in physical therapy (I'm assuming active PT) for a long time- does it help at all?
You have given alternatives to opiate a fair shot. 6 years of PT, surgery, cortisone shots, etc. It is important to make this clear to the PM doc without actually saying "so...the next step is opiates, right?" A good rule of thumb, which you probably already know, is to never mention a medication by name. You want it to look like you know nothing of pharmacology and abusable medications, so play dumb without making it obvious. People on this board seem to be split on the issue of whether or not to tell a PM doc about OP's...I personally wouldn't...but the doc does need to know you're on 60 mg of hydro if he does prescribe opiates, so he knows you already have some tolerance. I would bring an old prescription bottle (used up and from more than 30 days ago) that shows that you've been prescribed a good dosage of hydro- but if you were also receiving scripts from your local doctor for an opiate, then that's not an option. I'm sure there are some members who are veterans of PM that can give you better advice on how to negotiate with a PM doc based on their experience- this is the best I can do based on what you've told us so far.
Good luck, feel free to PM me if you want more explicit advice.
-yawkaw
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2muchpain
Enthusiast
Reged: 10/07/03
Posts: 274
Loc: USA
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I've been to two pain clinics. Both times they wanted to give me cortisone shots and NO pain meds. The first clinic wanted to give me a shot in my hip (I was limping with severe pain ) They actually pushed to make an appointment for the procedure WITHOUT ANY MRI'S, X=RAYS OR ANYTHING!
I happened to mention this to my GYN, who recommended bone density studies. It turned out my hip was fine but my lower back looked pretty bad for a woman of my age. I would have had to go through that pain clinic torture for nothing!
The second pain clinic wanted to give me a cortisone shot in my lower back but wanted me off the hydro completely. They wanted me to sign a statement, agreeing that they would be the only provider of pain meds for me. I wouldn't sign it so that was that.
There is a thread somewhere on DB where pain clinic screening is discussed. Apparently they are trying to weed out the drug seekers. I may be labeled as a drug seeker but I am also a big chicken . Being a cancer survivor, I am used to being tortured and it isn't fun. If I want to stay on pain meds for the rest of my life, I believe I should be able to do exactly that.
Thank you for allowing me to vent. 
Best of luck with the 'pain clinic'.
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LumbarSpasm
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Reged: 05/07/02
Posts: 1538
Loc: USA
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You have to establish a relationship w/the pain doc.
I have a friend who rec'd lidoderm also. They try different things. You must be patient and willing to go along with what the docs want to try.
If those treatments do not work, then they may begin narcotic analgesics.
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dsack
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Reged: 01/20/02
Posts: 527
Loc: midwest
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Why would you refuse to sign that statement that says they will be your only providers of pain meds? Without signing that, you are flat-out killing your chances of being put on any decent pain meds. I had to sign the same form, as I'm sure many others here have. The doc is just releasing himself from lawsuit.
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IMSUSCOT1
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Reged: 10/23/02
Posts: 874
Loc: usa
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ALL pain mgmt clinics will require you sign a narcotic agreement & part of that is that you will not obtain narcotics from anyone but them...sorry, but sounds like you making it easy to lable you....you've got to go through various steps...they have to show that they have tried to manage your pain w/o narcotics...then progressively worked you up...thats all....
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