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Sweetz
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Re: Adderall and Ritalin for kids [Re: juster9999]
      #121973 - 12/10/03 11:49 PM

YOu had me with you until you stated that ADHD is not real. OK, you obviously have NO experience with this subject, and nothing anyone can say will change your mind. I've had numerous discussions with people just like you. And, all it is is misinformation on their part.

I agree that small children do not need to be diagnosed with AD/HD. They are kids, kids are active. Unless a child is a danger to himself and others, I see no need for medication, just extra adult supervision. Until this stigma of AD/HD is better understood, a lot of the world just sees parents and taking the 'easy' way out and drugging their kids. Believe me, there is much, much more than the meds. Weekly teacher meetings, Monthly faculty meetings with the counselor, VP, all kinds of peeps, 3 days a week of tutoring after school to catch up on assignments misplaced, or just unreadable due to dysgraphia (another made up condition, I suppose). anyway, I know there will always be doubters, but until you have walked 13 yrs in my shoes and tried all the alternatives I have and are willing to still do everything I must do to maintain my daughter's school activities, I'm sticking with what i'm doing. I'm also quite Ok in my skin.

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Re: Adderall and Ritalin for kids [Re: Sweetz]
      #121983 - 12/11/03 01:31 AM

I can't claim any knowledge on this subject, but I do have a story that makes you think. A close friend had a son in 2nd grade. He was doing poorly in school--he couldn't seem to pay attention, his schoolwork was lacking, he seemed to lose focus quickly. Before long, he was being prescibed a host of medicines including Ritalin, and I believe it was liquid Prozac. The side effects were horrifying to his mother. He went from being a happy if somewhat mischevious boy, to a shell of his former self. He wouldn't even eat. There were no appreciable results, but the school's administration (in Colorado) wouldn't let the boy attend school unless he took the meds daily.

After a series of events, it was finally discovered that the child wasn't sick at all. He needed glasses.

Now he's a successful, med-free, glasses-wearing 5th grader.

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Re: Adderall and Ritalin for kids [Re: sheenafur]
      #122096 - 12/11/03 11:58 AM

To the parents who are considering these treatments for their children:

I have a great deal of experience with all of the various forms of these stimulants that are prescribed for ADHD. Personally, I've never been diagnosed or even evaluated for ADD or ADHD, but I do fit the profile. Regardless, there are a two different viewpoints on ADD/ADHD that I seem to observe frequently in others. Either it is believed to be a real disorder with real symptoms and real needs for medication, or a fabricated condition to provide an excuse for misbehavior in children (and adults).

I propose a third option.. Consider the possibility that these conditions present themselves in a wide gradiant of severity. Somewhere in the middle of this gradiant is a highly subjective point where laziness/procrastination/insufficient discipline transforms into an actual condition that dictates the need for powerful drugs to remedy the situation. Unfortunately, the notion that this "point" is concretely defined is the only element of the ADD/ADHD equation that presents a fallacy.

Where I'm going with this is confronting the notion that the severity of the "undesirable" effects of these drugs inversely correlate with the severety of ADD/ADHD symptoms. The truth is, these are strong stimulants with the explicit purpose of stimulating the "reward" circuit in the brain. An increase in dopamine levels will help any individual to motivate themselves, no matter how studious or focused they were to begin with. If you think that your child is not initially experiencing the classic amphetamine "high" when their bodies are introduced to the drug, you are misinformed.

I mean no offense by this, for I recognize that in many cases the benefits of stimulant treatments for ADD/ADHD *FAR* outweigh the negative considerations. Personally, they have provided me with significant benefits in my own productivity.. even with intermittant use. And while I personally have no addiction to these substances thanks to very strict guidelines that I impose upon myself, I recognize the severe potential for abuse.

Do not let any psychiatrist or doctor talk you into believing that Ritalin/Adderall/Dexedrine are mild and innocuous substances. If you choose to place your children on them, do your own research. There is no conclusion on the effect that long-term regulated dose stimulant use has on developing brains. (MSNBC article: http://www.msnbc.com/news/1002695.asp ) Either way, keep the pill bottles away from your children.. never let them figure out where you keep them, especially if they are 10+ years old. If you think I'm exaggerating, take the advice I saw in one of the previous messages... try 20mg of the stuff yourself and see if you don't consider taking another one after it wears off, or popping one another day when you're feeling a little unproductive. Amphetamines have an increasingly desirable effect as your dopamine levels return back to baseline. It has very little to do with willpower. Make sure your kids take their doses reguarly and on time. Missing doses delays the tolerance buildup, which is key in reducing the addictive nature of the drug. Realize that your children are in many ways *more* likely to find the drug alluring, for ADD/ADHD symptoms will *increase* the dichotomy between the way they feel on and off the substance. After all, it is historically those with less motivation, drive, and ability to focus that fall into the vicious cycle of drug abuse. This is a pattern that one could attribute to our instinctive compulsion to self-medicate for our ailments.

Above all, realize that these stimulants are not a "cure". They are elminating the symptoms, but not the cause. Fifteen years of daily stimulant use will more often than not leave an individual right where they left off if they stop taking the substance. And in some cases, these individuals claim their previous symptoms seem to have been exacerbated. Unfortunately, despite a plethora of theories, it isn't clear to anyone what the etiology of ADD/ADHD really is.

Stimulants are bittersweet. Make sure you know all sides of the story before you make the decision to have your children take them.

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Re: Adderall and Ritalin for kids [Re: sheenafur]
      #122104 - 12/11/03 12:24 PM

Sheena-

That's the paradox of Adderall and the like. They do not act like stimulants or have horrible side effects in kids who TRULY have ADD/ADHD.

I have TWO children affected by this disorder--as their dad was before them. One has ADD the other has ADHD. But the medications do relieve the SYMPTOMS of the disorder as HYDRO or OXY relieves the SYMPTOMS of pain. It therefore allows them to have the quality of life that a pain patient gets out of treating the symptoms of their disease/injury/condition.

It definitely is a case of benefit -vs- risk. In my case, with MY children, the benefits so clearly outweigh the risks that there is no question of continuing treatment. As any parent does, I want my children to have a good education, a normal childhood full of play and friends, a good chance at getting into college, and to have a productive adult life. Take away the medications and you almost certainly take away the education--or parts of it. Can you study or read when you are in pain? Can you focus on learning or paying attention when your body hurts so bad you want to scream? My son wasn't able to sleep at all prior to treatment with stimulants. How bizarre is a 7 year old with insomnia?

We tried every alternate therapy suggested prior to starting medication. It was such a night and day difference when the kids got on Adderall. They didn't turn into perfect kids who didn't make noise or run around. They were able to sit at a desk and pay attention, could understand their schoolwork because they didn't miss the prior assignments due to lack of attention. They started to LIKE school. They still have messy rooms, they get in trouble for not getting their chores done, they argue, they are just REGULAR kids now who do well in school and don't fell the need to pace, or always be on the go.

It really is a case of walk a mile in my shoes...

The whole purpose of my continued discussion is to make people aware that for every horror story there are 2 success stories. Yes, every parent should seek professional advice (therapists, teachers, doctors, psychiatrists) and try other methods of controlling the ADD prior to medication therapy. But just like many of us on this board, medication is the best resort--not just the last.

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Re: Adderall and Ritalin for kids [Re: night_shade]
      #122148 - 12/11/03 02:11 PM

Nightshade,

I absolutely agree with you, and I am certain that you are doing the very best thing for your children. What I think is so important, though, is that the proper diagnosis is made. You have obviously made very informed decisions. In the story I told, the school psychologist made a faulty diagnosis, and didn't look for other causes.

The boy's mother, who is a friend of mine, didn't demand a second opinion, and that was a mistake on her part. Yes, some children (and adults) must use these medications to lead a normal life, but I also think that there has been a trend of over-prescribing these meds, hoping that they will be a cure-all for a wide range of behavioral problems (and poor eyesight!) Why this child never had a simple eye test is beyond me.

So, again, you have clearly explored all options and have done the best for your kids. I wish all parents/teachers/doctors would do the same. Very interesting that the meds do not have negative effects on people who really need them--thanks for that info.

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Re: Adderall and Ritalin for kids [Re: night_shade]
      #122149 - 12/11/03 02:14 PM

great Post night shade! You make excellent points! What gets me is some of the argument against AD/HD is that the kids are simply undisiplined or underdisiplined. I have been disiplining my daughter ever since she was born. At 2, she was so hyper, I would have to stand by her in the corner during time out. I rarely spank my children, mostly just a little something to immediately get their attention. Usually just the "look" will do it. My 13 yr old in no way likes or looks forward to taking her ADderall. She doesn't thrive or crave it. She will ask me if she can have one while she cleans up her room. As you with ADD kids can imagine, it's very hard to keep clean on a daily basis. Things get forgotten and left there. So, I will let her do that, and she gets her room done just like a "normal" child would. My daughter is still very introvert though. She is different than other kids, with or without her meds. I've got other posts relating toher problems, so that's not relevant here. The point is, I just didn't wake up one day and decide I can't handle her behavior any more and shove Ritalin down her throat. it didn't work like that. Over time, the Ritalin wasn't the best for her, so now she's on Adderall SR. If she goes to school and forgets to take it, she is so self conscious of her own behavior, it makes her cry and get very upset. She has to wait in the nurse's office until it kicks in so she can go to class and act "normal". ADD really is like watching TV and having the channels change ever few seconds. How would you concentrate on CSI like that? I know I couldn't.

I know ADD is overdiagnosed and abused, that's why true ADDers take the heat. That's why narcotics have a bad name also - abuse. My daughter is not allowed to take her med to school, I have to. It can be sold as speed at school. I never knew that until recently. Anyway, parents who make an INFORMED decision to try meds are not jumping on a bandwagon. We've tried behavior modification (and still must), natural rememdies, vitamins, weird liquids from CA, herbs, and who knows what else. Adderall is not, I repeat NOT a cure all. The child must still have strict guidelines, and consistency every day. meds do not just make it all better and make your kid settle down. It just doesn't work that way, contrary to some popular belief. Sorry so long, I'm just passionate about this. Thanks if you got this far.

ps. I get their eyes checked every year! I got my eyes checked before starting migraine treatment. U never know.

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Re: Adderall and Ritalin for kids [Re: night_shade]
      #122913 - 12/14/03 05:47 PM

"xenoc" says:

"If you think that your child is not initially experiencing the classic amphetamine "high" when their bodies are introduced to the drug, you are misinformed."

"Do not let any psychiatrist or doctor talk you into believing that Ritalin/Adderall/Dexedrine are mild and innocuous substances. If you choose to place your children on them, do your own research. There is no conclusion on the effect that long-term regulated dose stimulant use has on developing brains."

"Either way, keep the pill bottles away from your children.. never let them figure out where you keep them, especially if they are 10+ years old. If you think I'm exaggerating, take the advice I saw in one of the previous messages... try 20mg of the stuff yourself and see if you don't consider taking another one after it wears off, or popping one another day when you're feeling a little unproductive."

"Fifteen years of daily stimulant use will more often than not leave an individual right where they left off if they stop taking the substance. And in some cases, these individuals claim their previous symptoms seem to have been exacerbated. Unfortunately, despite a plethora of theories, it isn't clear to anyone what the etiology of ADD/ADHD really is. Stimulants are bittersweet. Make sure you know all sides of the story before you make the decision to have your children take them."


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Re: Adderall and Ritalin for kids [Re: juster9999]
      #122965 - 12/15/03 02:42 AM

This has been about beaten to death, but this is right from the horse's mouth (NIDA). Read it and weep all of you supporters of non-medicating kids with ADD/ADHD...

Studies Link Stimulant Treatment of ADHD in Childhood to Lower Risk of Later Substance Abuse

Children treated for attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) with stimulant medications are less likely to develop substance abuse disorders later in life than are children with ADHD who are not given stimulants, according to NIDA-supported researchers. Dr. Timothy Wilens and his colleagues at the Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School in Boston reviewed long-term studies in which stimulant-treated and untreated children with ADHD were evaluated later in life and concluded that stimulant therapy cuts in half the likelihood of subsequent substance abuse disorders.

The researchers examined six studies with a combined total of 647 children with ADHD who had been treated with stimulants and 360 who had not. On average, the studies followed up on the participants for 6 years (range 4 to 15 years) after treatment ended and they were more than 20 years old (range 15 to 22 years of age). Four of the six studies included treated and untreated participants with similar severity in their initial diagnoses. The studies found less incidence of any substance abuse disorder in participants treated with stimulants. One study in which the severity of initial diagnosis was not similar for treated and untreated groups found that participants who received stimulants were more likely to smoke and to abuse cocaine, but not more likely to abuse alcohol or marijuana. The other study in which diagnostic severity was not matched found that stimulant-treated participants were more likely to abuse alcohol or marijuana.

"Considering all six studies, there was an almost twofold decrease in the likelihood of substance abuse disorders risk for youths treated previously with stimulant medication," Dr. Wilens says.

The Harvard group's findings counter concerns voiced by some practitioners that exposure to stimulants might increase children's disposition to subsequently abuse drugs. "These findings should reassure clinicians and families by providing compelling evidence that pharmacotherapy with stimulants for ADHD does not lead to substance abuse disorders, but instead seems to have protective effects," says Dr. Wilens.



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Re: Adderall and Ritalin for kids [Re: juster9999]
      #123659 - 12/18/03 08:59 AM

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The studies found less incidence of any substance abuse disorder in participants treated with stimulants.


Wow, you just admittd my point, thanks. My daughter does NOT act high/hyper, etc when she takes her meds. I personally think lack of practical knowledge is swaying your judgement. I've talked to countless PCPs, therapist, and psychiatrists (u know, MD?) that have shown me long term studies that growth was not stunted, they did not go on to become drug users, in fact it was the opposite. People with untreated ADD seek drugs to help stabalize themselves. They need SOMEthing, but don't know what it is. often then turn to alcohol and stimulants. Until you've actually been through this and done the years of work we have I don't put any faith in what you are spouting.

As far as it not being a "real" condition, can you see the wind? No, but you can tell it's there, you see the effects. this discussion has always been a battle and the people opposing it are usually people who have never had an AD/HD, so in my opinion, they really have no experience with it full time and cannot make an educated assumption.

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Re: Adderall and Ritalin for kids [Re: Sweetz]
      #124598 - 12/23/03 05:45 PM

There's no way that I or anybody else can stem the tide of drugs. What are we telling the kids? Take a pill and it will be all better? How about a little heroin?

Nearly 3 million American schoolchildren get amphetamines to control their hyperactivity or cut through their lassitude; 600,000 get serotonin reuptake inhibitors like Prozac and thousands more get lithium, the anti-psychotic-turned-wonder drug. In some schools, a third of the boys are on Ritalin. There is something paradoxical about teenagers lining up for their noontime stimulant before filing into "Just Say No" lectures. But of course, Ritalin and Prozac aren't exactly the drugs of choice for getting you high. Kids do occasionally sell their extra Ritalin for $5 per pill behind the local high school, but word is it doesn't provide much of a buzz. The pills filing out of the pharmacy warehouses in metallic phalanxes of green, blue and yellow aren't for fun. They're intended to produce calm, well-adjusted citizens, their brains chemically altered to fit the marketplace that awaits them.

The key that opened the doors of prescription for most of these children is spelled A-D-D. That stands for Attention Deficit Disorder, a peculiarly American malady that is diagnosed roughly 10 times as often stateside as in Europe or Japan. If it weren't for the enormous dimensions of the ADD phenomenon, one might be tempted to suppose the syndrome was a huge hoax by the pharmaceutical companies. The definition of ADD is vague and complicated. In the DSM-IV, the most recent psychiatric diagnostic manual, an ADD patient is so declared when he or she consistently displays six or more symptoms of inattention or hyperactivity. But if these all too common symptoms are markers for ADD, maybe we ought to be putting Ritalin right into the water supply, like fluoride. An ADD child, according to DSM-IV, "often does not seem to listen ... does not follow through on chores ... has difficulty organizing tasks ... often loses things ... is easily distracted ... is often forgetful ... is often 'on the go' ... often talks excessively."

Still, add these symptoms together and you get a child who can't read or pay attention, and is likely to be suffering in class, and maybe at home. In therapeutic circles, the feeling is that the attention being paid to the attention disorder is society's way of showing it cares about children who once were dubbed Fidgety Phils and plunked down in the corner with a dunce cap until they dropped out of school and entered menial jobs, skid row or prison. Today, an ADD diagnosis can open doors: not only to medication but to federally guaranteed special education facilities, computer chat rooms and parental support groups. Today, particularly if you have enough clout or the cash to hire a private consultant, your ADD kid will be placed in a special classroom, and eventually get non-timed college admission tests -- about 40,000 SAT tests were administered this way last year.

A number of psychiatrists, educators and neurologists have begun to describe ADD as a physiological ailment that arises partly from a unique brain geography. Using the lingo of evolutionary psychology -- the totalizing ideology of the '90s -- some specialists describe the distracted or jumpy ADD child as an evolutionary remnant, a hunter personality trapped in a culture of desk jockeys. Such pseudo-scientific piffle is ubiquitous in ADD circles -- particularly, it seems, among medical doctors. Edward Hallowell and John Ratey, two Harvard Medical School psychiatrists who have done as much as anyone to raise ADD's profile, claim in their book "Answers to Distraction" that ADD diagnoses are prevalent in the United States for genetic reasons: "Our forebears were restless movers and shakers," they write. "This probably selected a gene pool of people who are chronically curious and willing to risk traveling down new pathways of exploration." And who, if they were alive today, would presumably meet the elastic DSM-IV definition of ADD.

If the ADD community includes parents who feel the need to dull their children's roughest edges enough to squeeze them onto the career track, the pharmaceutical industry is there to help. Ritalin was administered to control wild kids in the 1970s, but today's ADD child is just as likely to be the quiet, spacey type. Children are younger, now, when they leave the home and enter the structured, less tolerant worlds of day care and school. As students, they are pressured to perform without as much support from their frequently absent parents. The human gene pool cannot change for cultural or economic reasons in 25 or 30 years. Thus relatively greater numbers of children and adults may be found wanting in their abilities to concentrate given the current pressures of their academic and work environments.

One solution is a pharmaceutical assault on inefficient personality types -- Ritalin for the hyperactive, Prozac for the introverts. In late twentieth-century America, when it is difficult or inconvenient to change the environment, we don't think twice about changing the brain of the person who has to live in it. It's not the end of the world you are drugging your children. But on a broader social level, the drift toward fiddling with brain chemistry is deeply alarming. In today's America, the responsible citizen, like the epsilon of Huxley's "Brave New World," has the duty to take pills to combat inappropriate behaviors and feelings. But guess what? A lot of kids don't want to take their medicine. For them refusal is rebellion. People should talk to their kids, not just give them pills. Ritalin does improves the learning environment for other kids because the child is no longer tapping a pencil or looking out the window or pulling the hair of the child in front of him. But we don't know of any studies that have shown a real improvement in performance. Do they act better? Yes, because they're drugged.


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Re: Adderall and Ritalin for kids [Re: juster9999]
      #124645 - 12/24/03 02:56 AM

Brave New World Revisited, indeed. You are absolutely correct.

Ponder this line of logic...

Have you ever seen what happens to an adult when they abruptly discontinue the hardcore, long term use of amphetamines ? Granted, what today's children are being pumped full of is a much CLEANER form of amphetamine than what the average hillbilly meth cook tweaker ingests, and thus the rate of physical deterioration from the drug (rotten teeth, open skin sores, etc) is much less rapid in it's onset, but the withdrawls, and the basic chemicals involved, are really the same.

Look for an entirely new generation of sullen, fat, listless drunken narcoleptics and/or anxiety sufferers, cycling about every 15 years or so, when college is over and it's time to take drug tests for work, or when the health insurance is "outsourced"...probably the latter before the former. This is an outside estimate, of course...what with the drug laws and mores and economics changing so rapidly from year to year that what our upper echelon chooses to define as "clean, decent, hardworking and sober" at their convenience moves around as fast as Rush on his way to the pharmacy, or parking lot.

You never know, though. WW II was fought on all sides with troops on massive doses of various types of speed, and our history books which never, ever lie tell us all how pure and compartmentalized GOOD and EVIL were with that saga, right ? I would have never been born, had my Grampa not had those standard Army Issue Benzedrine Inhalers to see him through the night to go burn the living holy hell out of "Japs" with a flamethrower in the Coral Reefs, you know what I mean ? Burn their little monkey asses alive right out of their holes, so went the Michael Savage propoganda of the day, and I'll bet my Best if kept off the board that our boys needed it, in all of it's sickening horror, too, as they took their, uh, Ritalin, and ground their teeth and got busy. Well, there's Drugs, War, and Propoganda for ya. You can rest assured that a Fortunate Son has the same kind of choice when it comes to behavior modification chemicals as when it comes to choosing between joining the Infantry or the National Guard, to cite a currently egregious hypocrisy.

We all are capable of judgement, and honest self examination, too, you know ?



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Re: Adderall and Ritalin for kids [Re: juster9999]
      #124668 - 12/24/03 08:04 AM

No, my daughter does not think that she can 'take a pill and it will be all better'. She can function on her meds at school. She gets so embarrassed at not being able to control her own behavior if she doesn't take her meds, she cries at school. She simply cannot control what she does. She's 13 now, and she works very hard at controlling her behavior, even though she's on Adderall. She is not a zombie, she can be a normal-acting child. When she first started, she told me the first days she took the medicine that it 'told her to sit down and be quiet'. I took those words to heart. At that point, I realized I had never had a complete conversation with more than once sentence on any subject before. Her focus just jumped around so much, she wouldn't stay on subject.

Like I said, people who have never experienced this, are quick to cast stones, but until you've seen it with your own eyes and done everything you can short of meds, you really cannot comment. You think I just shove a pill down her throat and she's fine? It doesn't work like that. She still has behavior outbursts in class. She still has trouble remembering to do her school work. She stil has trouble doing anything that requires thought or action that must be remembered and then done at a later time. Even taking a shower, she will forget to do, if I don't remind her. On top of that, she has dysgraphia (look it up) and cannot read her own writing to write herself notes. The school and her teachers and I work hard at getting her all the help she can get so she can be efficient herself.

I love how you boil all our hard work, through many years down to 'just take a pill and it will all be alright'. That's not true, not at all. It's not alright, even with the meds. Even with behavior mod. at home, even with strict guidelines at home, it's not OK. Every child is different, remember that. EVERY child is different. My child is different, and she's special. She knows she is loved, and she knows she is not like other kids. She knows she cannot blame her mistakes on ADHD, I won't let that happen. WE won't let it happen. So, until you know my child, and have done all I have done and see all that I have seen, you cannot make an educated assesment. This argument has been going on for years. You think I have not heard it all before? You think I have not asked about it? I have. Anyway, I am doing what is right for my daughter and I know that in my head and in my heart.

Editted to add: Hrmmm, so you have no original ideas of your own? You have to copy an article online and not quote the source, isn't that plagurism (sp?)?? Not good. HERE is the article juster999 took excerpts out of. Not even the whole article.... Hrmmm...what I say is from life experience, what you are saying is someone else's writing....1997 writing at that, 5 yrs old....not very current, is it?

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Re: Adderall and Ritalin for kids [Re: juster9999]
      #124702 - 12/24/03 11:38 AM

It is obvious to everyone and his brother that you're trying to get a flame war going here. I just have to ask- why?? Who are you trying to convince ADHD doesn't exist- us or yourself?

There are articles on both sides of the equation here, posting a one-sided article proves nothing. The author's mind has been made up in advance in both cases, and (s)he will only be looking for that evidence which supports their argument.

People hear "stimulant" and they freak. It is not like doctors aren't aware of the danger of prolonged, high doses of stimulants...but that's not what a kid with ADHD is getting. They are getting *MUCH* lower doses than a recreational user and even lower doses than when the drugs were prescribed in the 50's for the specific purpose of keeping someone "up." Your doctor is fully aware of the risk, and is using dosage guidelines to avoid that.

As far as ADHD not being real- I can't even argue that. It is clearly real. Of course not everyone who gets diagnosed with it really has it, but that doesn't mean there aren't other people with it. I have seen firsthand the dramatic benefit of giving medication to kids with ADHD that I grew up with- and guess what- they're not suffering with amphetamine psychosis, substance abuse, or stunted growth.

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Re: Adderall and Ritalin for kids [Re: yawkaw3]
      #124713 - 12/24/03 12:24 PM

Couldn't have put it better myself! I tend to get a little more emotionally involved since I've worked my butt off doing different things for my daughter, and still do! And, for someone to accuse me of non or underdisiplining, just blows my top! Anyway, thanks for a factual post, maybe that one will get through. I'm done on this subject, I've considered the other side, long ago, but he has no intentions on even considering that AD/HD is real. So, why waste the space and my time?? I've got lists to make for my daughter. Lists are invaluable, btw.

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