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toe
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Clove Oil and Naturopathic Hybreeds
      #114242 - 11/09/03 06:38 AM

After reading about Stella Blue's long and traumatic weekend when she was denied what I presume was a hydro script because she had an active darvocet script and left to writhe in pain and anger over the weekend, there were a lot of responses. In order of frequency, I estimate the replies dealt with a) a mistunderstanding of what constitutes legal dissemination of medical info between a pharmacist and doctor, b) "This has happened to me so many times, I pray for you," c) Multiple and sundry recommendations of OTC Western remedies for the pain, and d) varying interesting sub-thread of how to get back at Stella Blue's pharmacist.

While we keep Ambesol in the house, it's locked away in the musty old pessary filled with bandaids and basic first aid sitff ( including an astounding collection of bowel-disorder remedies for couple in their 20's). The medicine we keep out for dental pain is clove oil. It is a very effective anesthetic for oral pain, consdierably stonger and longer lasting than ambesol. I've used very small amounts of it mixed in with other anesthetic/ antibiotic. soothing oils ina a vitamin E bases to treat broken skin outside the mouth and lips with remarkable results. However, pure clove oil, applied by a partner if possible ( so that they can see the diseased area)) should provide anesthesia lasting a few hours and there is reallt no limit to the dosage intervals, since it's a food product. The taste is unliekly to make you gag. Of course, if you are allergic to cloves, you shouldn't take this route.

The only other topical anesthetic essentail oil I know of is eucalyptus. It is not nearly as strong as clove, and more freuquently employed as a mix in massage oils. However, with analgesic and antiseptic qualities, it's worth a shot. By which, of course, I mean a drop. If you a buying your oils from stores that specialize in this stuff, you'll be getting the purest oils the US will permit. So this is strong stuff.

Do not ever use clove oil on any other muscous membrane than the mouth, nor on open wounds. Caveat to use on open wounds: if you've made a dilution a 1:6 dilution ( like 1 part each of relaxing and soothing patchouli, rosemary, and lavendar, plus 1 part each of antiseptic and anesthetic teatree, eucalyptus, and clove, in a base of vitamin E qual in quanitity to the six drops you've collected).

Pure love oil on dental disease requiring surgery can be kept at a reasonably low-key scream and moan until the vikes comes through usuing clove oil.

I'm going to admit "western medicine into this discussion." The poster in the ubiquitous "Pharmacy Tattle Tales" stated that packing the wound with crushed ACA would prove emissise-inducing. I'm wondering whether the same ACA, spiked with CLove oil, could be successfully shoved into the infected spots without inducing projectile vomiting. You see, while I am pretty good with the naturopathy I know, these oils are expensive purchase and maintain. High quality oils in bulk ( lage ongouh to be used for multiple purposes) are harder to find that the baby-oil watered-down versions.Willowback extract is nigh-impossible to find nowadays. We don't shun "Western" medicine and our personal OTC collection contains only a range of modern NSAIDS- from IB on.

I would love to get a discussion going on plants and oils, how they can help alone, incombo with other "naturals," and assist our friends who are dependant what's become the New Traditional Medicine in helping them find their two scoops of sugar.

DISCLAIMER We all know how St John's Wort saved/ destroyed your life. Herbs as psychoactives is a BIG thread and merits it's very own discussion. As I mentioned at the beginning, I'm hoping this can be discussion of herbs and oils that can be used to compliment Western medicine, or, as is so often the case, take the place of it while we wait for the bumbling medical bureacracy to dispense our meager prescriptions.

We've all grown to be self-sufficent people in taking acre of our health acre. I'd just like to share stories with others about the herbs and oils they've used and the results. And if yo u think you don't fit, remember the one think that brings us all together: all of our laxatives contain Senna as an active ingredient.

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Sky_Queen
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Re: Clove Oil and Naturopathic Hybreeds [Re: toe]
      #114247 - 11/09/03 07:38 AM

Well thank you Toe - yet another informative piece I really didn't know much about. Do you get these oils at any health food store or do you have to get the "industrial strength" stuff elsewhere? I honestly don't know that much about it but it does interest me - I used to love that Clove flavored gum when I was a kid. I drank some herbal tea one time - it was called dieter's tea or some such - holy cow! I'll never forget the unpleasant experience on the toilet.

Anyway, I hope to see this thread grow with more info. Sometimes the most simple things in life can be the most comfort.



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maria
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Re: Clove Oil and Naturopathic Hybreeds [Re: toe]
      #114253 - 11/09/03 08:44 AM

I have always had an interest in alternative medicine, holistic healing, homeopathy, neutraceuticals, etc. One of my more enjoyable classes in school was the alternative medicine course.

Yes clove oil is terrific as a topical oral anaesthetic. And tea trea oil is great for disinfecting wounds, and promote healing. I have used a combination of tea trea oil and antibiotic ointment on wounds and they seem to heal overnight. Note that if you decide to use tea trea oil alone on your skin, it must be diluted a bit.

If you want to buy oils that are effective, you should buy "essential oils", which are basically the pure extract of the plant. You can go to the Body Shop or any fluffy store and get things labeled "tea trea" this or that, but they are no good. You have to get the real thing.

One warning, these pure essential oils can be quite expensive. But if you're into natural healing, it is well worth it. If I may make a suggestion, http://www.simplers.com is a great place to check out. I'm not affilliated with this place in any way, but I think their oils are good, and I get mine from there. Thanks for starting this thread, toe. There are many potent alternative therapies out there that many people don't know about.



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antique
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Re: Clove Oil and Naturopathic Hybreeds [Re: toe]
      #114256 - 11/09/03 09:03 AM

Great idea, Toe. I love to get info about natural remedies, and I have a few nickels' worth to contribute. I will begin by providing some websites that have lots of great info on the subject.

http://www.lef.org/
Several here are already familiar with Life Extension Magazine. There are lots of informative articles about alternative medicine.

http://www.herbs.org/index.html
Herbal Research Foundation

http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/
Henriette's Herbal Info website.

http://plants.usda.gov/
This is a govt database for plants. Has some useful info on plants.

http://www.altmedicine.com/
This website provides a compilation of info on the internet dealing with alternative medicine.

http://www.drumlib.com/default.htm
Similarly, this website provides a compilation of this guy's favs.



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toe
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Re: Clove Oil and Naturopathic Hybreeds [Re: toe]
      #116175 - 11/16/03 07:34 AM

bump so it doesn't siappear awaiting my comprehensive response.

In the meantime: don not buy oils oils for aromatherapy from The Body Shop. Bath and Body works has good oils,as does Aveda (available from many solans, probably online, and their own storesO and there is a brand called NOW that sells trustowrhty essential oils. They cine ub 1 fk. oz conrainers that will set you back 12-25 dollars, depending on the oil. Spiritula Sky is another good brand, mostly found in head shops, not as potentm but 3 0r 4 bucks for 1.4 oz. Unfortunately they focus more on the oils commonly used as perfume, not aromartherapy. These are not the only good brands but they are the ones I have right noe now and I seek out Aveda like Macce. While virtually all oils sold in the US are diluted in order to avoid potential skin reaction, the dilutant should be an odorless oil, such as cocnut or safflower. To determine the therapuetic value of a brand, picker up a tester of dandalwood oil. If you can immediately sense ant sweet odor, disregard the entire brand. In order of omprtance, you mudt acquire these oils (preferable in1 oz size): Tea tree, Lavender, Clove, Citrus Imixed is okay, grapefruit better),

These oils tend towards the cheaer end of the spectrum. Ehile an oz of Snadalwood at Avodea puts me out 25 bucks, any one of these will run about 12. The 1 oz bottle can last a year or more, unless you get the bright idea of making homemade spa aromtherapy products for channamas this year instead of the perennial hemp marcrame jewelry. I'm sure the great links orivided will provide some great info, , , iwas only able to scavenge up 3 and 2 were promotional, I do look forawrd to checking them out tomorrow/ later today and probably coming back tp repeat everything on their in my own way, Oh welll.

Back to the back, pop a few valium, and get lst night's sleeo.

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