bernie131
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Just wanted some feedback on the difference in Norco and Hydrocodone. Also the difference in Generic or Name Brand. I see in the posts that you all have allot of info and experience to share. I just cancelled my order with Genxll and ask for a refund thru PayPal and my order with Mexrxonline and now I was thinking about Uspharmacy or Tropical (maybe) but I want the strongest pain med I can get. Any suggestions?
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Greycie
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Hmmm... Norco *is* hydrocodone/apap- so, I guess as for which is better, they're the same  Norco is the brand name of the medication. As for Brand name vs. generic- from all I've read Norco is made by Watson (the company) and so is the generic version- so the only difference is the label, if you will. Hope this helps
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yawkaw3
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Hydrocodone is the potent opiate painkiller found in medications such as Lortab, Norco, Vicodin, among others, and in cough medications such as Hycodan and Tussionex.
Norco is simply a brand of hydrocodone and acetaminophen (Tylenol). Many people like Norco because it only contains 325 mg of APAP (another name for acetaminophen/Tylenol).
For people who take large amounts of these drugs daily, you do not want a lot of acetaminophen because it can be damaging to your liver.
Brand name Norco is made by Watson and comes in strengths such as 5/325, 7.5/325, and 10/325. When people say 'Norco', though, they are generally referring to 10/325. This is the most hydrocodone you can get with the least amount of APAP, so it is in high demand.
As far as generics go...
A bunch of companies make generic versions of Norco; Able/Qualitest, Mallinckrodt, and even Watson makes their own generic (they're little yellow pills that say Watson 853 on them). If you read anecdotal reports on the board, you will find personal preferences. I like Watsons myself, as they seem to kick in quicker. There is a lot of debate about why different generics work differently for different people, but that's off-topic and to get into an argument about it here would be to beat a long-dead horse.
But just a quick FYI, there are certain drugs that have what is called a narrow therapeutic index. This means that the very small difference in dosage could make a potentially significant difference in your treatment. This includes but certainly is not limited to drugs like Dilantin, Coumadin, Synthroid, Depakote, and more. With hydrcodone generics this is not practically a non-issue.
You asked about the strongest pain medicine you can get. If you have pain that will be helped in some way by extra APAP, or you find that APAP potentiates the pain-relieving action of hydrocodone, then you might want to go with 10/500 (Lortab), 10/650 (Lorcet), 10/660 (Vicodin HP), or maybe even Vicoprofen (7.5 hydro/200 mg ibuprofen) if your pain would be better relieved by the anti-inflammatory ibuprofen (aka Advil) instead.
I just wanted to clear that up, I don't know how much of that you already knew, this way there is some board reference explaining a very common term here.
-yawkaw
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bernie131
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Thank you very much for all that information. Now, which place in your favorite IOP for ordering Norco(Watson)s.
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PrivateRealm
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Norco is Hydrocodone, just Norco is the name brand and hydrocodone is the generic.
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dsack
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The ones I got from USPharmacy were fresh and seemed to work real nice.
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Fiver
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My comments don't relate *directly* to your question but are along the same line. [Disclaimer: I'm going to admit to triple dipping, so if will be offended by this then I suggest you stop reading right now, for nothing you will say will convince me that I'm doing anything to harm myself or anyone else. I know my body, you do not.]
I require 90mgs of hydro per day to keep my pain at an acceptable level. I have a growing tolerance to opiates coupled with an injury that only gets worse. My PCP prescribes #90 hydrocodone each month, usually 10/325 and I supplement that with two OPs which also prescribe the same amount. This month when my PCP's office called in the refill I got Vicodin HP instead, which is 10/660. Yes, it's a huge amount of APAP but I figured I could live with it for ten days. Imagine my surprise when I discovered that the Vicodin HP was actually *stronger* than the hydro 10/325 (Norco)! I found that I needed LESS to put my pain in its place and I even received the added benefit of feeling some Happy Warmies (tm) from the opiates, a side effect that hasn't happened since way back in my early days of needing hydro! I wasn't looking for the Happy Warmies (tm) but it was indeed a pleasant surprise.
Why did this happen? I was taking a whopping 1980mgs of APAP instead of my usual 975 per dose which might account for the added pain relief, but that certainly would not induce the Happy Warmies (tm). The only thing I can think of is that I got the name-brand Vicodin HP instead of a generic, whereas the 10/325s were Watson generics. But I've never had a gripe with the Watsons, I always thought they were very effective. Could it be that in this case the Brand med really *is* better?
Just a curious observation on my part. And to defend myself ahead of time, my hometown doctor has stated that he "doesn't believe" in narcotic medication and he's stepping out of his main path by prescribing 30mgs a day for me on a regular basis. My family is of a belief that chronic pain is a myth for weak people. So, two major forces in my life are stumbling blocks which I must work around, and in my opinion this is one of the reasons that online pharmacies are a great help to people like me who must face the ignorance of the very people who should be my biggest supporters.
Okay, ready...set...FLAME!
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Beetlenut
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Fiver:
Thank you very much for your very honest post. I found it very informative.
I have had two other people tell me they feel 10/550s are much, much stronger. Both of these people took 10/325s for a very long time.
I think the majority of us on this board can relate to the "stumbling blocks" you describe, and that is precisely why we have turned to OPs.
Isn't it amazing that the people that, in theory, should be most sympathetic to our pain are usually our harshest critics?
And btw, I have always felt that you cannot judge a man until you walk a mile in his shoes. People do what they have to do to get by in life.
Welcome  to the board. You will find many supportive and compassionate people here. Please feel free to PM me if you ever have any questions. .. 
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Purple
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I have to  you for your honesty!! I have posted some hard posts here that I have not told anyone else and everyone here was very supportive. I am sick & tired of my doctor running me in circles and my HMO insurance denying me my meds that my doctor called in & I am in PAIN and have had this migraine since LAST Monday (8 days now!!) I am not able to work and I can't sleep (separate post).
If you would like to talk more, please PM me, I feel like I am in the same boat as you. Take Care
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Anglwink
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I applaud your open honesty Fiver! I think that the majority of us do the same, but most will jump on your honesty to defend their own guilt! Anglwink
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Tred
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Your story has a close home to a lot of people on this board, but I think the reasons people would be fired up,is for the fact that the double dipping senerio comes with a price. The media is seeking every chance they can get to jump all over PCers'and posts that directly point out some of their soon to be coverage so it's not always good to share with everyone. I honestly agree completely with you, because some people have different tolerances to medication to begin with. The best thing a person can do is seek a treatment facility or therapy program that can accomodate your needs. They are out there and then the person can abide by the law and still get the medicaion they need.
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TwG
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Quote:
The ones I got from USPharmacy were fresh and seemed to work real nice.
What does fresh mean? Opiates are very stable chemicals and hydrocodone would work just as good if it was made today or if it was made 10 years ago.
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TwG
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If they have the same amount of hydrocodone than they would work the same for pain, especially because the amount of APAP you take per day was so high that it wouldn't make a difference in pain relieve. Placebo is alot more powerful than people give credit to, if you think 1 pill would work better, it just might. Also, as for the amount of APAP you took being high, my one friend used to take 30-40 norcos everyday for 4 months. Thats 9.75-13 grams of apap a day. My other friend used to take 50 norcos a day for over a year, thats over 16 grams a day everyday, and neither of them ended up with any liver problems. They were young and healthy though. Lastly, I would suggest againest admitting this type of stuff on a public board, if the DEA ever decided to go after people, they already have your confession.
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BlackCat
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That's an interesting warning you gave Fiver about being careful posting an "admission" to triple dipping.
Let's say the DEA really has nothing better to do and actually thinks they will make a difference by going after one person and gets a warrant for the registration info. (phone #, name, etc.) on DB. Let's then assume it's false when you registered so all they have is an alias, "Fiver".
Is there another log or something (like a posting log or sign in log) that would store an IP address or other information that a government agency could get a warrant for and use to identify an individual?
Any techies out there know how anonymous we really are on sites like this if the government or police really wanted to ID someone from an alias that has left no valid registration info.?
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DaggerEyez
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I can't speak for DB, but most all forums, log IP addresses.
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BlackCat
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but can you tie an IP address to an individual?
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howie
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Some meds are fresher than others. If they don't take of them by letting get to hot or cold or possibly exposing to light could cause them to go stale.
I had some Hydro that was 3 years old left in a bottle from the dentist. I looked at it and it was real chalky and I was going to break one in half and it split into 3 pieces.
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DaggerEyez
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Yes.
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tone
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Loc: Chicago
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stop saying "Opiate". -- Its Opioid.
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TwG
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o·pi·ate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (p-t, -t)
n.
Any of various sedative narcotics containing opium or one or more of its natural or synthetic derivatives.
Hydrocodone is an opiate and an opioid, fentanyl is an opioid, but not an opiate. He isn't wrong, you are.
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cadman1
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Loc: South USA
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Any techies out there know how anonymous we really are on sites like this if the government or police really wanted to ID someone from an alias that has left no valid registration info.?
When doing any transactions with these any op's, It is a good Idea to alway have an IP address that is bogus. No, DB Moniter, im not advertising here, but Anonymizer has a great program that cost about 30 buck a year for a subscription and your ip is scrambled and rerouted, so "they" can never pin you down to one specific location. I wont surf the web without it.
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