janey
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I'm just curious-is this a no-no?
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wildbill
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No, 2 mg of klono and 4 tylenol #4s will make you bombed. But I am very-anti-klono - from personal and other experiences, it gives blackouts, rage attacks, there is something in it that shuts off the anger mechanism in your brain... something as a one time only or limited thing... take my advice, really
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kittykatbone
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start small & take it from there (cut your usual doses in half to start). i take klonipin as well as xanax at intervals & i mix them daily with hydro (used to be codeine before i got on the hydros). DO NOT DRINK ALCOHOL WITH ANY OF THESE MEDS (tho you probably already know this)
any more details??? PM me
sincerely, louis
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BlackCat
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I also take hydro with Xanax for different conditions. The CNS effects are additive and the combination makes you very drowsy - watch out. I literally would fall asleep on trains from Manhattan and frequently miss my stop. The bells and loudspeakers wouldn't wake me up. (The trick is to find someone you recognize from your stop and sit on their outside so they have to wake you up at your stop to get off  )
I find myself constantly drinking diet Pepsi for the caffeine to stay awake!
Anyone else have experience taking these 2 in combination? Any similar or different side effects? Dosages?
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plotinus
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No, 2 mg of klono and 4 tylenol #4s will make you bombed. But I am very-anti-klono - from personal and other experiences, it gives blackouts, rage attacks, there is something in it that shuts off the anger mechanism in your brain... something as a one time only or limited thing... take my advice, really
Bill -- were you/others taking the Klonopin several times a day or just once at night before bed? I've had some real gonzo experiences (e.g. getting temporarily banned from DB ) after taking Klono and a couple drinks to fall asleep. It's very effective at keeping me asleep all night (6-7 hours). I don't take benzos during the day, ever, makes me too drowsy. But 1/2 life of Klono is something like 20-22 hours so it's still hanging around the next day. I've taken vicoprofen in the AM for my back after Klono previous night with no particular ill effects.
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janey
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Thank you everyone for the input.
WildBill-Though this is only my fourth day on the Klonopin,I have been somewhat monstrous! Normally prone to anger as it is,I really feel that my temper has been exuberated by the pills-I thought they were supposed to mellow me out?! But I do feel that they have been helping me. Perhaps I should also begin taking the prozac as well...... I was out of work for a week before starting them,and was barely eating and sleeping. It's not as if I'm going to throw them out or anything,because I really feel that they come in handy for stressful situation that are unavoidable (ya know,like everyday life: ). Do you think that all benzos cause anger to surface? Would Xanax and Valium have the same effect,or just the Klonopin?
For instance,I am going to Salem this coming weekend for a short vacation with my sister in law. All I could think before getting this prescription was "I'm not even going to be able to have a good time there,because chances are that I will be so anxious and panicky". This is really screwed up,because here I am, going on VACATION,feeling dread! I take some comfort in the fact that I will have my little "helpers" with me,just in case. I deserve to enjoy this trip,I really do!
Anyhow,sorry to ramble on. I just wish I could feel comfortable in my own skin,and not have to semi-rely on pills.
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kittykatbone
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Janey ~ i find when things get stressful & i just want to break stuff or shout from the top of a mountain ~ that the xanax, klonipin, valium, & ativan keep me sane. they SHOULD mellow you out & help you put things into perspective (for me they do anyway).
Codeine alone can cause a temper to flare i've noticed in the past.
remember ~ "its ALL small stuff"
take care ~ louis
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nihil
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I'm just curious-is this a no-no?
Depends entirely on how much you're going to take. If you take 300mg of codeine and 10mg of clonazepam expect to overdose and die.
Both codeine and clonazepam are CNS depressants and CNS depressants should NEVER be combined. That's not to say that I haven't done it myself, I have: I've combined clonazepam with alcohol, I've combined clonazepam with kava, and I've combined lorazepam with dihydrocodeine. I'm still alive, obviously, but to a different person with a lesser constitution, they could easily end up dead.
If you really must take both substances space them out significantly (I'd recommend something like 5-10 hours apart) and even then lower the doses of both substances. If you aren't falling all over yourself, bumping into s,hit, or nodding off then slowly increase the amounts and decrease the time intervals until you find the "perfect" combination for you.
Just be safe.
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I don't take benzos during the day, ever, makes me too drowsy.
I once took 10mg of clonazepam in the space of about 5-6 hours once when I had absolutely no tolerance to the drug (and didn't know much about it). It had a rather "interesting" effect on me, but it didn't make me drowsy one bit (and I wasn't using cheap generics either).
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kittykatbone
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"10mgs" as a first time dose???
didn't feel anything???
maybe you need to get your pulse checked.. lol
i've got quite a daily tolerance myself, but 10mgs at one would put me out for about 36hrs!
wow ~ you take care! sheesh
louis
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janey
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10 mg of klonopin? Please-I'm still breaking my .05's in half!!
As far as the codeine goes,I never have gone over 7 Nurofen+ or three tylenol 3 at a time.
KittyKatBone-the comment you posted earlier about codeine itself being the aggravator is probably more accurate than blaming the klonopin. Now that my back is feeling better,I would prefer to stick to the benzos that my doc are willing to prescribe for me. I must admit,I was getting to the point where I was using hydro not only for the pain,but to treat depression/anxiety....I guess it's pretty good that I caught myself when I did. I'm no longer in very much pain,anxiety and panic attaks are the problem,so I should be medicated accordingly: ). The klonipin is working,and the codeine is less of a problem for me than the hydro was.
Nihil-this is OT,but is the photo of you? Your handle makes me think of a local band around here,Ex-Nihilo........
Edited by janey (10/21/03 01:20 PM)
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nihil
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"10mgs" as a first time dose???
didn't feel anything???
I didn't say I didn't feel anything...just that I didn't get drowsy. Only benzo that has made me drowsy was lorazepam and that was a very unpleasant drowsiness. All that really happened with the 10mg of clonazepam was that my confidence went way up and I was walking around like I was moderately drunk.
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Nihil-this is OT,but is the photo of you? Your handle makes me think of a local band around here,Ex-Nihilo........
I've been asked that before and no, it isn't a picture of me. Just some cool pic I found on another forum that I decided to use. I like the grim image, that's why I use it. But hey, if you like feel free to image me that way
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kittykatbone
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benzo tolerence goes up WAY faster thsn you realize. specially Xanax (Alprazolam) ~ (the half life of it makes you feel as though its out of your system but its not, so you take another dose, etc, etc) soon after a period of about a week TRY going without them ~ thats when you realize how addicting they are!
my personal tolerance has gone up in the past 2 months alone between the KPs,Xans,etc that i do 5 times per day as much now then when i started taking them to get the same effect.
10+mgs of all of the above mentioned benzos is not an unusually high number after you've been taking them for a time, but to do 10mgs with no tolerance will usually knock the average person (i dont care how big you are) on their Best if kept off the board!
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Edited by kittykatbone (10/23/03 02:58 AM)
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janey
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Now I must ask this-the script for 60 Klonopin that my doc gave me have no refill. When I go back for my six week follow up,should I expect to not be given a refill? I don't know if this is something that he gave me for short term anxiety until the prozac began to work (which I just started last night). Really,I would like to be able to continue with it. So are Benzos typically prescribed short term only?
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kittykatbone
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yes ~ usually (as far as i know) they're mainly for short term. however, i do know peeps that have been perscribed them for years. lots of them now that i think about it 
i'm guessing your doc is only putting you on them short term so expect no refills. but it doesn't hurt to ask! they're nice to have around the house in case of anxiety emergency or sleeplessness.
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Folksong
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I don't know about the codiene. It has such a neg. effect on me, nausea, nightmares, etc. that I don't take it. I do however, take a small dose of a benzo, say .5 ativan, with the hydro, and the Ultracet. It offsets the twitchyness that comes with these two drugs. I took 1/2 to 1 .5 xanax for several years twice a day, never increasing the dosage(in fact the dr. instructions were 3 times per day), and i used to take Darvocet for back pain, again combining the two often. Never bothered me. Well, until the doc. abruptly took me off the xanax, the w/d was hell. but I didnt know any better, though the doc. should have known to taper me off gradually. So, my advice is, if you are going to combine the two, keep the dosage low. You might consider another pain reliever and stick with the Klonopin. I have never tried Klonopin but just ordered some, so will post my experience with them, and how they combine with the hydro and ultract, when they arrive. I have bad anxiety attacks and my doc said the Klonopin would help with the "ups and downs" of it...??? We shall see.eh?
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kittykatbone
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normally for a 1st time user, you can expect a small dose (1/2 mg) to hit you pretty hard. you should be used to it within a week.
going from .5 (or HALF of) xanax is a big jump, in my experience with both these benzos. KPs will last longer too.
enjoy!
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