oldnavy170
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I just did a search on Darvacet and I didn't find that much info on it. I called my Dr. the other day for a script for pain and she prescribed me Darvacet. I have been taking Hydro from the Op's for a few months now and when I took the Darvacet today I felt nothing. I took two this morning and an hour later nothing...so I tried to take three pills later and still nothing. So, what is going on? Are they very weak strength pills compared to Hydro? Maybe my body is soooo use to Hydro that I can't feel the Darvacet. I use to take Darvacet many months ago for almost 8 months straight and I always felt relief from it and now I feel NOTHING.
FYI....I still have Hydro left but I have been trying to save them for BAD days and want to use something else(something my DR. will precribe) on not really bad days.
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ML63
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I called my Dr. the other day for a script for pain and she prescribed me Darvacet. I have been taking Hydro from the Op's for a few months now and when I took the Darvacet today I felt nothing. I took two this morning and an hour later nothing...so I tried to take three pills later and still nothing. So, what is going on? Are they very weak strength pills compared to Hydro? Maybe my body is soooo use to Hydro that I can't feel the Darvacet. I use to take Darvacet many months ago for almost 8 months straight and I always felt relief from it and now I feel NOTHING.
Darvocet N-100 was the first pain med I ever used and it worked great. One pill was all I needed. Years later when I had my knee injuries and subsequent surgeries I was given Lortabs which also worked great. After ablout a year on hydro I once again tried Darvocet. I wanted to give my body a break from the Lortabs and I had the same problem as you. They no longer worked. Not one, two or even three at a time. It seems that once you go hydro you just can't go back to anything less. Not even a Tylenol #3 will work. Interstingly enough, my doc at one point gave me a limited script for Percocet. Not only did it make me sick, it didn't work anywhere near as well as hyrdo! Go figure. So for me right now it's hydro as it's the only thing that gives me the releif I need.
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Darvocet is a weaker med than Hydro. I ordered some after I had started taking hydro for my better days, but I had to take so many for relief that all the APA made me sick. I gave tham to my dad. Probably your body is just used to the Hydro now.
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I just began taking Darvocet again after taking Ultracet for a week. The ultracet helped my pain slightly but made me extremely nauseous.  I hated it. I had always taken hydro but pm dr is new so I can respect his "hierarchy" of drugs to try until he gets to know my case better. The darvocet is helping me much more than the ultracet. I have been off hydro for only over a week now (i think) and I'd been on that for over a year. So I guess it just depends on the person. Maybe you should explain to your dr that it's not helping you at all. Good luck. I really can feel your pain. The darn ultracet was useless.
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Since you've been taking hydro for pain for a few months. It's stronger then davarocet (which is a synthetic opiate). So you've build a cross-tolerance to davorcet or any other narcotic which is as strong as hydro or weaker then hydro. So the Davorcet will do nothing for you, the enzymes needed to break it down already exist in the liver due to the hydro, so when you take the Davorcet, most of it is metabolized before it even reaches the brain, at best you'll catch a slight buzz with little pain-relieving activity. Davorcet only works on those people, who don't take opiates on a regular basis, their livers aren't hype-up on natural opiates, so they received more of a pain-relieving effect. Anyway Davron is a little stronger then Davorcet, but in either case they won't help you with pain. You have to take step-up, Percocet ES 10mg/325mg.
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Both darvon (proproxyphene hydrochloride) and darvocet (proproxyphene napsylate with apap) or darvon-n (plain proproxyphene hydrochloride) are approximately 1-2 to 2/3 the strength of 60 mg of codeine. But their real use often is as a kick pill for people addicted to heroin, or those coming down from heavy hydro habits because they're cross tolerant. They're cousins to methadone, very weak ones. People on the methadone program claim they are equal to about 2.5 mg, a "half a capful" and use them to boost their dose. They're hard on the liver, especially darvocet, which contains 650mg apap. They do do something when mixed with valium that is more severe than on their one. They stay in your system a long time. In terms of killing heavy pain, they don't really work well. And they can give you breathing stops. Remember the rock journalist Lester Bangs? He OD'd from them, they can cause pulmonary edema (fluid in the lungs) - in fact the PDR warns against giving them out to suicidal individuals. So for a "minor" painkiller they're actually more dangerous than hydro or percs. If I was in any serious pain I'd reject them immediately, and probably would, anyway.
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Darvon and Darvocet are only as effective as about 600 mg of aspirin. Also, propoxyphene is quite dangerous. If your doctor offers it again, point out how useless it was.
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oldnavy170
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You know what? I felt really really aweful today, like I was going through withdraw symtoms from NO Hydro even after taking the Darvacet. I finally gave in and took some Hydo today because I couldn't stand it and now I feel better again. So my point is that Darvacet did nothing for my withdraw of Hydro. I do take Ultram during those "holidays" and I feel fine(but with pain).
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oldnavy170
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Quote "Also, propoxyphene is quite dangerous."
What do you mean by dangerous????? I took a total of five of them today and now I want to make sure that I am not going to hurt myself.
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Quote "Also, propoxyphene is quite dangerous."
What do you mean by dangerous????? I took a total of five of them today and now I want to make sure that I am not going to hurt myself.
It's dangerous because it can kill you if you take too much.
http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic3/propoxnap_wcp.htm
http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic3/propoxnap_od.htm
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It is the metabolites of Darvocet that cause the problem.
They stay in your body and build up as you continually redose because the Darvocet wears off. This in addition to problems associated with excess APAP use.
Some people swear by this drug...but it is especially potentialy dangerous to the elderly population.
For more information look up its metabolite norpropoxyphene.
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My primary doc once prescribed me a week's worth of Hydrocodone for a particluar ailment. The next week, by pure coinicidence, I saw him again for a totally different ailment. He would only give me Darvocet for the second ailment. I requested Hydrocodone but he said no.
I think he thinks that he was being safe and conservative by Rxing the weaker Darvocet instead of Hydrocodone. But if you read the PDR for each of these drugs, there are far more warnings (of death!!) for Darvocet than for Hydrocodone.
It seems to me that, if a doctor is giving only 7 days worth of pain killers, Hydrocodone is much safer than Darvocet because the patient on Darvocet may end up taking more of the Darvocet than was prescribed (since it is such a weak pain killer) and end up overdosing.
Just my opinion.
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I still have yet to find any info on exactly how much Proproxephene is too much. Anyone?
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I took too much pure Darvon once..don't remember now how much I took....it was over a period of hours...and I was just trying to get rid of pain. I started shaking and my heart was beating very weird.I just knew I was gonna die but was too embarassed to call for help. I tried to throw up but couldn't so I drank milk and vinegar and tried to get it all out of my system. I finally returned to normal.
I think you die of heart attack if you take too much.
I now have a healty respect for Darvon/darvocet.
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I think another way that people die from Darvocet OD is repiratory failure. PDR quotes a study that said that something like 20% of Darvocet OD deaths occurred within the 1st hour of consumption, with 5% occurring within the first 15 minutes.
PDR also says something like "Darvocet can cause depression" (I can verify that by experience - it's a gloomy drug) and "Do not prescribe to depressed or suicidal people". Yet, women are sometimes prescribed Darvocet for post-pardum pain. Women already have the risk of post-pardum depression. Unless I'm missing something, it seems that Darvocet would be the one pain med. not to prescribe to a woman who has just given birth.
Needles to say, I am not in awe of some doctor's wisdom (someone has to graduate at the bottome of the class).
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*BUMP*
In doing a search here, I have to bring this up again. I'll save a thread and go off this one.
I am now a little wigged out. My doctor hands this stuff over to me like candy, I take (what seems like) a ton of it. (about 100 of them per month) He semi assured me that all that tylenol was not going to ruin me either. (which when I take 4-5 of these - 100mg a piece - so 500mg darcovet an / (up to) 3250 mg tylenol) really doesn't sound right to me. [shivers] He is just concerned about the hydro so he only gives me about 20 hydros (10mg) per month, but will give me all the darvocet I want. Errrrr, is this man trying to kill me? 
Input? - but please don't drive me to take a benzo out of fear
Bonus question, I am on a hydro holiday... I am shaking and hurting to the point of almost feeling like taking a dang ambien just to sleep it off... is this darvocet (I haven't taken any of it since the holiday started 6 days ago) going to totally sabotage my holiday? and dagnabit, is 6 frigging days enough already?! I am about ready to claw my eyes out (which probably means that the 6 days is NOT enough, UGH).... oh I'm a weak person!!!
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LumbarSpasm
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Take a darvocet, it'll help.
Then find a different doc and get the stronger med.
good luck to you!
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Box_of_Rain
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did just that, anxiously awaiting "kick in"  At least the Darvocet helps but taking such huge doses worries me some. (mostly because of the tylenol in it) It's weird that my doctor is OK with me taking so much of this and so little hydro. Peculiar. He used to give me 40 hydro per month but after about 6 months he sort of got weird about it. He's pretty understanding but still on the "cautious" side. I've wanted to ask for OxyContin for a while (honestly it sounds like a perfect solution for me) but with the freakin controversy surroundnig that medicaton, I am too nervous to ask for him it. Man it really chaps my arse that those Pharmacy robbing, pill popping, drug distributing, etc-ad nauseam - wankers have ruined it for people who may really benefit from a medication like that. The "one bad apple" theory bites. Such is life though.
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The best thing that I have found during my extensive research on liver function is Alpha Lipoic Acid. Ususally you will hear about Milk Thistle, but this stuff blows Milk Thistle away. My sister is an insulin independent diabetic and had a rock come out of the laws mower and hit her on her leg creating a big red sore.
Since then, it has been one dermatologist after another for years with no improvement. All the while this red sore is growing bigger and becoming sorer. One Dermatologist even gave her over 20 cortisone shots in the sore with no results. She has also been on multiple creams, all with no help.
I had her start taking 100mg of Alpha Lipoic Acid and within 4 months her sore is lighter in color and doesn't hurt as bad. So now she has upped her dose to 200 mg and we will see what happens.
There has also been a Doctor that saved two lives that ate bad mushrooms. The other doctors at the hospital said there was nothing that could be done and left them to die. This other doctor found out about Alpha Lipoic Acid and used it on both patients without approval. Both patients lived. But the Doctor that saved their lives was reprimanded. By the was, in case you are not aware of it, eating bad mushrooms kills you by destroying your liver. I would suggest any person taking tylenol regularly take this supplement. It will truly help keep your liver healthy.
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