hagge
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Which of theese companys offer the most discreete packaging?:
access-meds.com
destinyrx.com
farmakos.com
interpharm.com
Its necessary (cause of custom) that packages are flat small and discreete. does this guys know what they are doing?
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valentina
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Loc: Buenos Aires, Argentina
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Hello
Just something for everyone to consider when talking about and judging the packaging of overseas pharmacies:
For the pharmacy it is a very difficult subject. It is not a question of knowing what to do in most cases.
Many customers do not understand that in order to get their medications through US customs without tampering, delays or losses ideally they have to be packed discreetly.
If medications are being packaged very discreetly, for example without the original cardboard box, or to the extreme, taken out of their sometimes noisy blisters, they will accuse the OP of selling counterfeit medications and charge back their payment, they will not be satisfied and can not be convinced that the meds are brand name original products.
Keep in mind that it is in the best interest of any OP to have their meds arrive as quickly as possible, and packaging would be a lot more innovative if this was accepted by the majority of customers.
Due to the amount of losses through chargebacks and customer complaints, a risk has to be taken and packages are not always shipped as flat, small or silent as it could be done.
I can suggest everyone to specifically mention this request in a comment while placing an order. That way the OP will see that you are a understanding customer, familiar with the difficulties, and they should be more than happy to package your orders especially for you.
Also keep in mind that not only for the recipient packages that are not discreet can cause problems, also the sender might be in a dangerous situation sending suspicious packages from their destination country where this would not always be a legal thing to do.
Valentina
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Skylark
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Great post Valentina!!
Out of the four, I have only used AM and I got my last order seized. They had very discreet packaging, I guess I was just the unlucky one. Sometimes, even the best packaged products CAN be seized by customs, so never spend more than you can afford to lose.
Good luck!!
Skylark
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hagge
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Hello
If medications are being packaged very discreetly, for example without the original cardboard box, or to the extreme, taken out of their sometimes noisy blisters, they will accuse the OP of selling counterfeit medications and charge back their payment, they will not be satisfied and can not be convinced that the meds are brand name original products.
Keep in mind that it is in the best interest of any OP to have their meds arrive as quickly as possible, and packaging would be a lot more innovative if this was accepted by the majority of customers.
I think the most of us prefer receiving the meds without blisters and original cardboard , than recieve no meds at all (with blisters) if it minimizes the risk. But discreete packaging _could_ , as acompromiss, include for exampel cutout pieces from the original cardboard or blisters as garant for medicines freshness etc
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Jordan530
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Hi, IMHO I think that describing the discreet packaging of IOPs in a public forum could possibly defeat the whole purpose of discreet packaging. Once again, just MHO though. Not trying to be facetious or mean. 
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d989
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Loc: Connecticut USA
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Valentina,
Why does your company charge $169 for 50 valium? Don't you think that is a bit excessive? Especially since we can order them from US ops very easily for about a quarter of the price?
-d
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valentina
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Hello, and thanks Skylark.
I agree that even the best packaged shipments can be seized. I don't agree with you Jordan530 but I think that customs know very well what to look for if they had the staff and time they could stop even very discreet packages even without our rough description.
To hagge,
if 'us' refers to the users of this board or people experienced in buying their medications from overseas pharmacies, I totally agree and the methods you described are being used. But this kind of customer accounts for less than 5% of the customers an online pharmacy deals with. What I was trying to explain was that due to this fact, an online pharmacy can not assume that the majority of their customers will accept discreet shipping methods, unless they are specially requested by the customer.
To d989,
I am not allowed to go into details about this, or my posts and account will be deleted. If you really want my opinion and did not just intend to throw out that comment, please send me a PM and I will respond.
Valentina
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dollhog
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I agree
Maybe I'm just paranoid but I find the original question and this whole topic best left off the board.
The original post just seems suspicious. Of course it could just be my overactive imagination. Who knows?
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dsack
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Loc: midwest
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A question like this one is best left unanswered. Packaging is NOT the top priority. Getting your order is. If you get it, then the packaging was good enough. Don't offer any details on an open forum.
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diggsbakes
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Yes, this is the wrong quesion to ask, unless you're the one "watching" this forum. Why would you care if you get the meds you need? I wish there was a middle finger to put up!
Edited by diggsbakes (10/12/03 05:14 PM)
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potatoboy99
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Hi, IMHO I think that describing the discreet packaging of IOPs in a public forum could possibly defeat the whole purpose of discreet packaging.
I think I pretty much agree with that.
There are so many things aside from packaging that could affect your order getting to you or not. Country of origin could be a flag, your name and/or address could be on a watch list (yes that happens), your mailman could be nosy, sorting machines can damage even the best packaging and reveal the contents, etc.
There are other boards where it is board policy to NOT discuss packaging. I'm not sure that's necessary here, but many of us are a little too revealing of uneccesary details a little too often!
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who_am_i
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Loose lips sink ships.. 
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hagge
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I dont really like this attitude.
Of course the most important thing is to receive your medicine. But if you receive or not can depend upon the packaging, especial if you live in a country inside tehe EU with wery hard customsborder to the outher world. Packaging= receiving = important.
Of course this is agenerally question - I dont want us to discuss any specific details about each company liks "XXX packages in brown letter wich size is.." - I just asked a simple question. A simple question that can have simple answers. "Company YYY deliers discreetly. But company XXX have bad and undiscreete packaging".
This is a wery interesting question, for us who order meds from foreign countries - and why could we give eachother advice?
Do you think customs would check every small developement "AHA! We shall search for DÍSCREETE packages! lets open 99% of all mails!" I really dont understand why we couldnt discuss this.
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hagge
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To continue the main question of this thread I hacve a great tips:
1. pharm88 - offers extreme discreste packaging. Looks like a ordinary letter containing av paper or so!
I also have heard that
DestinyRX
Interpharm
Access-Meds
ships wery discreete!
Bad packaging i heard from Farmakos, the seem to NOT ship wery discreete.
Also Pharm24 /eurocare ships in bad packaging. Not discreete enough I can say of my friends experience.
Other companies who offers discreete packaging?
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kat
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Destiny Rx definitely offers extremely discrete packaging! They are very courteous and responsive too.
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toe
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Here is another suggestion.
Go to the search option, pick this forum, check off "match exact phrase" and enter this exact same question into the search line.
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hagge
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Here is another suggestion.
Go to the search option, pick this forum, check off "match exact phrase" and enter this exact same question into the search line.
Why? The only result showing up if you do so, is this thread. Whats your point?
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borrowedtime
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We "meet" again Hagge in specific regards to shipping methods/practices. Is Sweden's Customs incredibly tough and/or thourough??? It seems to be the concensus that 'who_am_i' is correct, "loose lips, sink ships." As I mentioned in our previous "conversation," there is plenty of objective data regarding which IOPs packages are getting in...shouldn't that be enough? I remember from my first tour of duty here at db.com a certain OP stopping shipping ALL controlled substances to the USA in a matter of days when their genious packaging methods were revealed to the 'T'...to jog your memory, have you seen the movie "Shawshank Redemption?" IMO your best bet is to see who is receiving from who, and roll the dice. Take care all!
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hagge
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"Discreete package" is not a secret. A discreete package is just a.. discreet package.
As i said - I think everyone agrees that no discussion about details about packages is necessary. But just the word "discreete" or "not discreete" may not leak any information to the custom.
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Trampy
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I've ordered from places in locations that are not known as source countries and they shipped very discretely in envelopes that look like correspondence. Some of those never arrived even though the sender had an excellent reputation. I'm sure they were sent. Sometimes a seizure notice comes but most of the time for small amounts they no longer bother. Too much paperwork.
It's a Best if kept off the board shoot. Nothing can be guaranteed. With the Patriot Act now in place, Customs is allowed to open up an envelope (entering or leaving!) even if it's obvious that it contains only a single sheet of paper. They also can read whatever's written and if they think it's terrorist related, they can lock up the intended recipient as a material witness and also deny them access to a lawyer and hold them indefinitely if they're not a U.S. citizen. Customs is now a part of the Department of Homeland Security. Being polite and respecting privacy rights is not at the top of their agenda.
Trampy
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hagge
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Loc: somewhere in Europe
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Information about discreete or not - packaging is essential if ordering from an IOP. (it can be the difference between delivering or not) Therefor you could discuss it on boards like this.
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Dharma
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Hagge-
Nobody is discounting the fact that packaging is important. It is simply that it is not usually discussed openly on the board as not to draw attention to specifics and reveal information to eyes and/or ears that have motives other than obtaining their meds from IOP's.
The details are saved for PM's, if they are revealed at all. There are some advantages to knowing what to look for--that is a given--but in the US it is just too risky to spell it all out on a public board. Think about it, providing a list of 'who packages how' is asking for seizures. Nobody wants to contribute to that.
Good luck!
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drac747
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The packages I've received from shoprxonline.com are very discreet and skinny. I've never had a single one seized. They ship from India and surprisingly I receive the packages in less than 2 weeks.
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