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Sky_Queen
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JUNKIES' CLICK FIX
      #95461 - 08/24/03 11:42 AM

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JUNKIES' CLICK FIX

By BRAD HAMILTON and FARRAH WEINSTEIN

Donny, a sleeping-pill addict, holds the prescription Ambien tablets he bought from an online pharmacy.

August 10, 2003 -- Donny is a married lawyer with a successful Midtown practice - and a full-fledged addiction to Ambien, a prescription sleeping pill.
"A year ago, my doctor gave it to me when I was having trouble sleeping, and I got hooked," said Donny, 35, who asked that his full name not be printed.

Donny admits his heavy use of the drug has wiped out parts of his memory. But he insists, "It's really great."

He sees no reason to get treatment.

"I'll take two [pills], so it really mellows me out. I feel like if I take it, I'm going to get a good night's sleep, and if not, I don't," he said.

And when he needs to restock his supply, Donny boots up his home computer and places his 90-pill order.

"I have the site bookmarked," he says, noting that he's been buying Ambien on the Internet for so long that he doesn't even remember which peddler supplies him.

Junkies who abuse prescription pills are not new. What's changing in the city and elsewhere now is how they score.

Increasingly, New York pill poppers get what they need through the Internet, according to treatment experts and those who track the sites. They note that the explosion of online pharmacies has made potent narcotics just a mouse click away - and they're deeply concerned that the problem is getting worse.

"The abuse has been exacerbated by the Internet," said Mary Bohnen, program director of the Freedom Institute, an outpatient center at Madison Avenue and 53rd Street that currently treats 125 addicts.

"There's so much shame connected with addiction, and with the Internet, it's totally impersonal. The sense of guilt is diminished."

Ed Smith, a director of the Narconon rehab program in California, which usually has several New Yorkers among its 250 patients each year, said he was troubled about the online sales of powerhouse opiates like Vicodin and Oxycontin - drugs that are more addictive than heroin and more dangerous to quit.

"I can't stress how wrong that is and how many problems that's going to create in the future," he said. "When people find out there's an online way to get drugs, they start ordering - without ever seeing a doctor."

Many of the sites don't require a prescription or ask for a patient's medical history. Some supply a questionnaire - with all the right answers already filled in. All the buyer needs is a credit card.

Online buyers tend to be younger and wealthier than other types of addicts, experts say. But they include all types: blue- and white-collar workers, men, women, senior citizens.

Adolescents start with stimulants like Ritalin, which is widely available on the Web and used to treat attention-deficit problems, those who are tracking the problem say.

Young professionals tend to go online after exhausting a legitimate supply prescribed by a doctor, dentist or shrink.

They are often drawn to popular drugs including Vicodin - to which "Friends" star Matthew Perry became addicted - or Valium or Xanax.

Hank, a 50-year-old heroin addict from Long Island now in recovery at Narconon, said the reason he didn't go online to order painkillers was that he didn't want to wait for them to arrive in the mail.

"It probably would have been easier," said the married owner of a car-finance company.

Instead, he conned emergency- room docs into giving him the drugs.

Treatment centers admit they're only now learning the extent to which their patients get drugs via the Internet.

"It's a question we need to start asking," said Mary Silberstein, division director of the Pederson-Krag centers. "The access to the drugs is there."

Although the Food and Drug Administration and several state prosecutors have pursued some of the pharmacies, the sites continue to proliferate.

"We need to put more effort into combating these problems," said William Hubbard, an associate commissioner at the FDA.




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Re: JUNKIES' CLICK FIX [Re: Sky_Queen]
      #95462 - 08/24/03 12:05 PM

So, we're all "junkies abusing prescription drugs," "pill-poppers" now. Ambien, for God's sake? If this weren't so insulting on various levels, it would be amusing.

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Re: JUNKIES' CLICK FIX [Re: joffrey]
      #95472 - 08/24/03 01:35 PM

The NY Post is a shoddy excuse for a newspaper, anyway, but I can't believe this article. It doesn't make any reference at all to the possible legit use...and as for OxyContin and Ritalin being prevalent...give me a break!

-yawkaw


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Re: JUNKIES' CLICK FIX [Re: yawkaw3]
      #95475 - 08/24/03 02:03 PM

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The NY Post is a shoddy excuse for a newspaper, anyway, but I can't believe this article. It doesn't make any reference at all to the possible legit use...and as for OxyContin and Ritalin being prevalent...give me a break!

-yawkaw




The worst part of the criminal injustice system is that it is not about truth and justice. the demonization of drugs is one classic example of their attempts to increase their income & power -- it's interesting that the best rehab programs have success rates of less than 10% and we all know how successful jail is. No-one really wants to solve a problem that will put them out of a job. A word to the wise guy from your curmudgeonly ex-PO.


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Re: JUNKIES' CLICK FIX [Re: plotinus]
      #95477 - 08/24/03 02:14 PM

Incidentally Narconon, the source quoted for the story, is a front group for the Church of Scientology. It is a faux rehab clinic to get people to spend many thousands on all the Scientology gimmicks and practices.



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Re: JUNKIES' CLICK FIX [Re: Opie_Yates]
      #95524 - 08/24/03 07:58 PM

I wish for once I'd see a story on how the internet helps people with no medical insurance, or people who cant leave home to see a doctor. Not everything is 100% bad 100% of the time. Get tired of reading all the BAd internet stuff. What about the good it does????

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Re: JUNKIES' CLICK FIX [Re: tansun]
      #95535 - 08/24/03 08:33 PM

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... Get tired of reading all the BAd internet stuff. What about the good it does???? ...





The internet is very close to rendering the war on drugs inoperative -- I personally think that's a very good thing. Vancouver and Toronto are becoming the Amsterdams of North America and the criminals passing themselves off as a government in DC haven't got a clue how to deal with it. I know... "let's seal off the border with Canada, it's worked so well with Mexico." And we've done such a brilliant job in Iraq, I'm sure we can invade Canada to stop the pot. Face it, every "civilized" country in the 1st world knows the concept of the WOD is bankrupt and all, but the US are moving to end it. We can't exist in isolation, the internet has ended that fantasy.


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Re: JUNKIES' CLICK FIX [Re: Sky_Queen]
      #95547 - 08/24/03 09:33 PM

How about this?

August 13th

Donny looks at the alarm clock on his bedside table. It reads 3:30AM, he knows he has to be in court at 7:30AM to represent his client. Due to the fact that his primary care physician refuses to prescribe Donny anything to help him with his chronic insomnia, Donny will be gulping expresso, and trying to concentrate in the courtroom. He will be exhausted when he awakes (provided he gets any sleep at all), and he will be exhausted at the end of the day. Then, that night, it will start all over again...

August 20

Donny holds the bottle of Ambien that he obtained from an online pharmacy. He looks at the alarm clock, it reads 10:30pm. He takes his medicine knowing that he will get the rest he needs to do his job as an attorney. Donny awakes refreshed, and ready to battle. He smiles as he walks into the courtroom.


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Re: JUNKIES' CLICK FIX [Re: Folksong]
      #95552 - 08/24/03 09:50 PM

Nice story, Folksinger, but I have to ask... are you the guy whose guitar John Belushi smashed against the wall in ANIMAL HOUSE?

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Re: JUNKIES' CLICK FIX [Re: plotinus]
      #95556 - 08/24/03 10:02 PM

Nope. don't play the guitar, and if I did, the LAST song I would sing would be "I GAVE MY LOVE A CHERRY". I was simply trying to make a point.
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Re: JUNKIES' CLICK FIX [Re: Folksong]
      #95559 - 08/24/03 10:17 PM

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Nope. don't play the guitar, and if I did, the LAST song I would sing would be "I GAVE MY LOVE A CHERRY". I was simply trying to make a point.
F.




Thanks for having a sense of humour about it -- among other things i am a confirmed a$$oholic (see how long it takes the monitord to get to this one ;-)!


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Re: JUNKIES' CLICK FIX [Re: Opie_Yates]
      #95582 - 08/25/03 12:51 AM

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Incidentally Narconon is a front group for the Church of Scientology.............





Now that is a scary story!

Thanks for letting us know that, Opie_Yates. Are you sure about that, though? Alanon, for instance, I am very sure has nothing to do with Scientology, it is run by AA for family and friends of alcoholcs. And I thought Narcotics Anonymous had something similar (which would be called Narcanon too possibly). At any rate it sucks if people in very vulnerable conditions, looking for help with chemical dependence, are vicitmized by those Scientology bozos!

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Re: JUNKIES' CLICK FIX [Re: potatoboy99]
      #95599 - 08/25/03 06:27 AM

Worst thing about this is some bandwagon politician jumping on a soapbox and making a proverbial mountain out of a molehill.

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Re: JUNKIES' CLICK FIX [Re: plotinus]
      #95615 - 08/25/03 08:04 AM

Plotinus - you mentioned you are and ex PO. What is a PO?

Thanks - rex


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Re: JUNKIES' CLICK FIX [Re: rex]
      #95624 - 08/25/03 08:41 AM

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Plotinus - you mentioned you are and ex PO. What is a PO?

Thanks - rex




I was a probation officer for most of the decade of the 1970's. After ten years, I was really fed up with the "criminal INJUSTICE system" and made a major career change. Our criminal injustice system is not about solving a social problem, crime, whatever the heck that is -- it's about judges and lawyers making a lot of money and stroking their egos. The really bad/egomaniacal ones become politicians. The really lazy ones -- including most probation officers -- just want to have a nice bureaucratic life with good benefits, play bridge for three hours at lunch and retire after 30 years. Actually, I liked the cops the best of all the participants in the injustice system, but most burn out quickly dealing with all the day to day realities: drunks, wife-beaters, experiencing mostly just plain relentless stupidity and negativity. Very boring jobs punctuated by occasional massive shots of adrenalin.


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Re: JUNKIES' CLICK FIX [Re: plotinus]
      #95632 - 08/25/03 09:08 AM

Well said, Plotinus.

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Re: JUNKIES' CLICK FIX [Re: plotinus]
      #95679 - 08/25/03 12:20 PM

Thanks for the clarification, Plotinus. By the way, were you a probation officer in this universe, or another?

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Re: JUNKIES' CLICK FIX [Re: yawkaw3]
      #95763 - 08/25/03 09:21 PM

This post may be a little late, but i agree with yawkaw. The New York Post is a shoddy excuse for a newspaper and the article in question is misguided and poorly written. It panders to uninformed people who happen to believe in mass-hysteria hype. Save your money and your mind unless you prefer writers who treat you like you have an IQ of 22.


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Re: JUNKIES' CLICK FIX [Re: potatoboy99]
      #95942 - 08/26/03 04:45 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Incidentally Narconon is a front group for the Church of Scientology.............





Now that is a scary story!

Thanks for letting us know that, Opie_Yates. Are you sure about that, though? Alanon, for instance, I am very sure has nothing to do with Scientology, it is run by AA for family and friends of alcoholcs. And I thought Narcotics Anonymous had something similar (which would be called Narcanon too possibly). At any rate it sucks if people in very vulnerable conditions, looking for help with chemical dependence, are vicitmized by those Scientology bozos!




There is not a trace of doubt that Narconon is Scientology. Check out alt.religion.scientology to get the scoop on what these folks are about.

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Re: JUNKIES' CLICK FIX [Re: Opie_Yates]
      #96625 - 08/29/03 08:09 AM

Narconon is indeed part of Scientology. Take it from a former Scientologist.

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Re: JUNKIES' CLICK FIX [Re: rex]
      #96654 - 08/29/03 10:49 AM

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Thanks for the clarification, Plotinus. By the way, were you a probation officer in this universe, or another?




Well... in the Level 3 classification of parallel universes from the SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN article, which is the "most interesting" classification because it is the one driving the development of quantum computing -- I have been a probation officer in nearly an infinite number of parallel universes. For those of you who enjoy Sci-Fi and want to try exploring this area without being too overwhelmed try the book, PERMUTATION CITY, by Greg Egan -- it's actually mentioned in the SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN article on Parallel Universes.


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Re: JUNKIES' CLICK FIX [Re: potatoboy99]
      #101943 - 09/22/03 01:43 PM

'NA' is the official abbreviation for Narcotics Anonynous, just like AA.

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Re: JUNKIES' CLICK FIX [Re: Sky_Queen]
      #102175 - 09/23/03 09:18 AM

Why does this country attempt to sacrifice everything for "safety"? People are so full of fear in America these days, what happened to life, LIBERTY and pursuit of happiness? Addiction is a horrible thing and something that people should get help with, but the problem is not the substance of abuse, the problem is in that person. Not that there is something "wrong" with the person, but that something is wrong emotionally, there is an emotional void. Banning a substance isn't going to fix one friggin thing, spending that money on good schooling, help for the poor, FOOD, afterschool care, help for families is whats going to stop addiction. People become addicted because they're depressed, abused or feel without purpose. People need a reason to live, not a jail sentence...and villifying and banning useful drugs is never going to solve anything...you think history would actually teach something. It raises your bloodpressure how ignorant and judgemental some can be about things. People will drink paint stripper if it'll get them out of their emotional hole. People need help, laws and restrictions on freedom aren't the answer. Look what has happened to people who suffer from chronic pain, they're (including many of us here) forced to hide as if they are doing something shameful...there's nothing shameful about needing oxycontin or morphine for your pain. It just drives you mad....

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Re: JUNKIES' CLICK FIX [Re: bushstalin04]
      #102193 - 09/23/03 10:23 AM

"I Feel Your Pain" as some guy once said, & i share your same sentiments exactly. i have a feeling some day in the far far future all of these things will be legal. i don't think any of us will be alive to see it, but at this point i consider us all to be part of some underground railroad. know what i mean???
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Re: JUNKIES' CLICK FIX [Re: bushstalin04]
      #107977 - 10/16/03 12:37 PM

Quote:

Why does this country attempt to sacrifice everything for "safety"? People are so full of fear in America these days, what happened to life, LIBERTY and pursuit of happiness? Addiction is a horrible thing and something that people should get help with, but the problem is not the substance of abuse, the problem is in that person. Not that there is something "wrong" with the person, but that something is wrong emotionally, there is an emotional void. Banning a substance isn't going to fix one friggin thing, spending that money on good schooling, help for the poor, FOOD, afterschool care, help for families is whats going to stop addiction. People become addicted because they're depressed, abused or feel without purpose. People need a reason to live, not a jail sentence...and villifying and banning useful drugs is never going to solve anything...you think history would actually teach something. It raises your bloodpressure how ignorant and judgemental some can be about things. People will drink paint stripper if it'll get them out of their emotional hole. People need help, laws and restrictions on freedom aren't the answer. Look what has happened to people who suffer from chronic pain, they're (including many of us here) forced to hide as if they are doing something shameful...there's nothing shameful about needing oxycontin or morphine for your pain. It just drives you mad....



This is a little late, bit I just found this thread every single thing you said was the ABLSOLUTE truth!!!!!!!!!!!!


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