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I take 2mg of klonopin for social anxiety and as I understand it alcohol and other CNS depressants are considered contraindications.
I'm not a heavy drinker but occassionally I do enjoy a few shots of southern comfort or a cocktail or two. I'm wondering if it would be safe for me to drink after taking my klonopin? And if so, after how much time? I've known a gentleman who once told me klonopin would cause him to black out after having 10 or more drinks. I certainly doubt I possess such a high constitution, and, in any case, am not looking to drink that much. I just thought I'd mention it, though.
It's also worth mentioning that I have taken 2mg of lorazepam with 60mg of dihydrocodeine in the past and had no negative reactions of any kind. Only a mild increase in potency.
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I would stay home and get your party on, until you know how alcohol and said benzo mix.
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as long as you stick to the moderation rule ~ everything should be fine. i wouldn't mix more than 2 drinks in w/the KPs ~ especially if you plan on driving or operating heavy machinery 
seriously, when i was younger & more fearless i almost pulled a 'Jimi' (as in Hendrix). i passed out after a party while i was taking xanax & when i woke up, there was a looong pile of vomit down the side of the bed. now if i had been laying on my back when i went to sleep... i probably would've drowned in my own vomit cuz i was so knocked out. i have no reecollection of even throwing up that nite!
VERY SCARY!!! i learned then!
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Some of the most dereanged times of my youth were caused by mixing benzos and alcohol. Some folks can handle it, most folks don't seem to be able to though. I know that benzos + alcohol almost always = getting far more drunk than I ever intended. It seems that in my system, benzos effectively double the strength of the drinks. I wouldn't say "don't do it" but i'd recommend proceeding with extreme caution until you know if it's going to be a problem or not.
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I've known a gentleman who once told me klonopin would cause him to black out after having 10 or more drinks.
Well as a bartender, I just have to wonder what else was he expecting?
I had a glass of red wine last night for the first time in months and it hit me hard! So I would say definitely, specially if you live alone, pad all the sharp corners your head might fall on, because depending on your stress, fatigue and food intake, well, let's just say a lot of Old Hollywood legends met a sad fate that way. I believe people should decide what is best for themselves, even if I consider it harmful. But I just would not go scuba diving or rock climbing or anything like that, and that was an excellent and realistic point about vomiting, too. Now that is a bad way to go, and be found.
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I have turned to a little bit of alcohol to take the edge off of my back pain. I don't over do it, as I don't want to become an alcoholic. I take, are you ready= Tramadol, Valium, Hydro, Oxy, Vistril, Soma, Phenergan, and maybe some others that I am leaving out. Not all at once of course, but one or the other sometimes. The only one that really hits me hard is Phenergan. If I take it with any amount alcohol, I have actually had a few black outs, and not with that much alcohol either. It really seems to hit me hard with that particular drug.
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In my humble opinion, alcohol and benzos should never be taken together. Both are CNS depressants, and one potentiates the effects of the other. This is a very dangerous combination.
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Anyone that mixes alcohol with ANY prescription drugs is asking for more PROBLEMS than they already have. NOT using very good judgement if you ask me. 
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I asked my doc years ago when i took Klonopin if I could drink wine, and he said it would be like two drinks, but it would be OK in moderation.
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Somebody posted on here that your liver becomes accustomed to processing either alcohol or opiates, but not both...oh, who was that? It was helpful...There was something about a book called Naked Lunch and a man named Burroughs...I will have to look it up. I don't know if this will cause my post to be deleted, but I hear they have recently found that combining some meds, pain, benzo, tricyclics, or SSRI, alcohol, and cocaine or methamphetamine, is the equivalent of driving your liver at high speed into a brick wall. It cannot process both at once, and sooner or later things back up. I wanted to put this out here even though I know we all know better, but if you know and care for a young person going to raves or? you might want to tell them about that.
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nihil
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I don't know if this will cause my post to be deleted, but I hear they have recently found that combining some meds, pain, benzo, tricyclics, or SSRI, alcohol, and cocaine or methamphetamine, is the equivalent of driving your liver at high speed into a brick wall.
I'm not sure about what happens to the liver when alcohol is combined with the other drugs mentioned (for some of them, I'd assume nothing) but when cocaine is combined with alcohol, the cocaine alkaloid yields a further potently reinforcing compound, known as cocaethylene. Some wines are actually said to contain this compound. For more information, see http://cocaine.org/cocaethylene.htm and http://cocaine.org/tonicwine.htm
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In my humble opinion, alcohol and benzos should never be taken together. Both are CNS depressants, and one potentiates the effects of the other. This is a very dangerous combination.
Fluffy, you are absolutely, technically correct -- during the period before I recently got banned from DB, I was reading the board and writing posts after midnite, while sipping vodka on the rocks, having taken 2mg of Klonopin (for which I have an Rx from my doc). If you're into Hunter S Thompson and gonzo journalism, you can understand it was a lot of fun. The mods and many others on DB didn't see it that way.
Many were the night when I awoke at 3AM in front of a glowing screen with no clue what I'd done in the past couple hours. This a chemical combination, which needs to be approached very carefully. The earlier post from KittyKatBone, who almost did a "Jimi," is ample demonstration that the difference between passing out on your side and passing out on your back after mixing benzo's and alcohol may be the difference between waking up dead and waking up alive. I think it's more the quantity of alcohol consumed with respect to chances of mortality -- benzo's won't generally kill you, but they really do potentiate alcohol, which can cause you to choke in your own alcohol induced vomit. Well... this all makes me feel like I need a drink after having just taken my nightly Klonopin. See if I check in in the AM.
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Prettyday -- I'm so happy to see "anhedonia" is still missing from your posts!
The NAKED LUNCH is a literary milestone of the late 1950's. The author, William S. Burroughs, was a Harvard grad and scion to the Burroughs Computer and Adding Machine fortune, who "nursed" the beat generation into literary prominence in the late 1940's, briefly attended medical school in europe and ended up a confirmed junkie living in Tangiers in the early 50's. He kicked the habit reportedly using Apomorphine and became a minor cultural icon, of sorts until his recent death. If you have seen the Matt Dillon film, DRUGSTORE COWBOYS, Burroughs has a brief cameo as the junkie priest talking about the demonization of drugs.
Uncle Bill, as he is often affectionately known, was very knowledgable for his times, but psychpharmacolgy has made tremendous leaps in the past fifty years.
I agree with Uncle Bill's political position that the gov't is continually trying to demonize a new drug (lately GHB & Ecstacy) for fearful political purposes. When do the scare stories stop and we as a society decide to deal with the human realities of drugs?
It is no surprise to anyone, who reads my posts, that I believe the war on drugs is a disaster, it's only outcome can be failure and incarceraton of harmless drug users, trying to escape their particular discomfort or enjoy a good time on Saturday night. Conservative Republicans consider this apostasy, I'm sorry they feel so miserable with their millions and their social position. I don't think globalism will cut them much slack.
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In my humble opinion, alcohol and benzos should never be taken together. Both are CNS depressants, and one potentiates the effects of the other. This is a very dangerous combination.
Plotinus I agree with u 100%. I myself have taken Xanax with beer...Their were many of nights I didnt know what happened. Just head hit the pillow & out like a light.
I am aware it can be a way dangerous mix...Very rarely do I throw up, but not saying anything bad can't happen to me, since I know it can...
I definately agree benzo's potentiate alcohol BIG TIME!
No doubt about that.
Aside from that, the alcohol allows me to take less benzo's.
I am on them 20 yrs. And only take 2 a day. On a way bad day maybe 4 mg. So I don't think it's that bad. 
Many people think we all take Xanax to get high, on the contrary....
I have GAPD=Generalized Anxiety/Panic Disorder
So I do NOT take my meds to get high...
When u first start, its such a euphoric feeling...........
But after all these yrs. no euphoria....AT ALL
But then again I was NEVER looking for that. I just wanted RELIEF from my anxiety!
Actually I only recently learned all the DO'S & DONT'S about Benzo's...
I was AMAZED at the addicting factor even at a low dose,
Over a period of time, which I was NEVER told.
JMHO.
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Sandy,
read your post and had to respond. your experience is so similar to mine.
i've been on xanax for about 15 years! and please forgive my past idiocy (innocence?-oh God i miss that!) but at the time, but i did NOT understand what i was taking. i've since started work in healthcare and realize that i should actually KNOW what i'm putting in my body.
i have a panic disorder (among other things) and the xanax is a wonder drug for that. but if i had it to do over.....i don't think i would have ever started taking it in the first place had i known the addiction factor. learned a LOT about medications in the last few years, am shocked and shamed at how uneducated i was.
i grew up believing that the "doctor knows best" and to trust everything they say. then the day came when i saw my all knowing doctor at KFC with a spread in front of him big enough to feed 5 people.......this two days after i got a HUGE lecture from him about eating right. ha! 
anyway, i agree with you. the benzo/alcohol combo is a dangerous one. not saying i've never done it, just that it has the potential to have a deadly effect. i've spent time working in the ER and the ICU and it's amazing how many people end up OD'd on benzo's, usually mixed with alcohol or other drugs. i have a huge tolerance because of being on it so long, but i still am very cautious of having any alcohol. if i know i'm going out and might have a drink with dinner i make sure that i take my nightly dose of xanax at least three hours after my last drink, and i usually cut the dose at least in half - if not more.
i've done the xanax, pain pills, alcohol thing before.......and ended up doing things that were stupid. point in case would be getting on the internet and sending an "informative" email to someone and then having NO recollection of it. yikes. not pleasant to deal with that the next day! i don't think i've blacked out....but maybe, because i've ended up with bruises i can't explain. don't know....i'm just a lot more careful now that i understand the effects. i don't have a death wish, nor do i want to unwittingly do something that could harm someone else.
actually one of the things they teach in the ER is that benzo's & alcohol can easily kill you. as can cocaine. even if it is something that someone has done many times, your body might react differently from one time to the next for various reasons. therefore taking benzo's with any other drugs is a little like russian roulette.
again, not judging and not saying i haven't done it. but anyone that does it should understand the potential for harm. coma, brain damage, respiratory failure, death are all possibilities. each person is different though, so it's hard to say "this is what will happen". everyone knows their own limits and tolerances-though keep in mind that benzo's will lower your inhibitions just as alcohol will. so it's easy to have a few drinks and then think "hey, a few benzo's won't kill me" (at least that's how my brain works . best to keep everything in moderation.
everyone has to make their own choices though. my hope is that everyone will at least educate themselves first so that they understand the risk. don't be like me and learn the hard way!
everything affects everyone differently to some degree. i nearly stopped breathing one night after taking the flexeril my doc had given me for a muscle spasm, along with a couple vicodin, my xanax and some allegra. all prescribed by the same doc......guess HE didn't read the contradictions section on the meds. nor did the pharmacist say anything. seems the allegra and flexeril have the potential to not mix well. who woulda thunk it? not me....
careful is my vote. better safe than sorry. i think benzo's & alcohol are a dangerous mix. but if anyone does choose to take them together, then please make sure your at least someplace safe. and no driving, so that you don't risk another's life if you get behind the wheel.
but this is all just my opinion, and my experience. to each their own. just please be safe and take good care for you!
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benzos + alcohol = zombies with a very high risk of death. IMHO you are removeing any benifits benzo do provide when you drink ANY alcohol. 
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Is the mix benzo + alkohol really dangerous in smaller doses - for example, you had your last 1 mg xanax an hour ago - and you go out with som friends and drink, say, two 50 cl beers. That can not be "dangerous".. or?
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Is the mix benzo + alkohol really dangerous in smaller doses - for example, you had your last 1 mg xanax an hour ago - and you go out with som friends and drink, say, two 50 cl beers. That can not be "dangerous".. or?
It's dangerous because of the effect, it makes you, well, really "out of it". However it takes a HUGE amount of benzodiazepines to actually "overdose". With Klonopin I *think* it's over 50mg or something crazy like that.
The danger is in effect.
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Is the mix benzo + alkohol really dangerous in smaller doses - for example, you had your last 1 mg xanax an hour ago - and you go out with som friends and drink, say, two 50 cl beers. That can not be "dangerous".. or?
It's dangerous because of the effect, it makes you, well, really "out of it". However it takes a HUGE amount of benzodiazepines to actually "overdose". With Klonopin I *think* it's over 50mg or something crazy like that.
The danger is in effect.
Stella Blue is right.
See, we all fail to take in consideration (ok, well, I know I fail, anyway) that many things conspire to make substances more or less effective. Did you skip lunch? Eat a lot of sugar? Are you really worrying about something? Have you recently exercised and your metabolism is really up? Did you have hay fever and take some meds for that? See,
there is no measuring stick. I had a friend who had a bad kidney infection and did not know it. She passed out cold after a shot and a beer.That's all. I know. I served her. Luckily she was in the ladies room sitting down.
But--do you live on the second floor? Do you have thick carpets? People die this way, not from overdosing as much as just falling over in the wrong direction.
So--I understand stress and I really understand wanting to let your hair down and get happy. File a flight plan with your friends. Plan not to drive. Let them know you're going through a tough time. ( not saying you have to go into OPs or your usual med intake) Ask them for a little TLC. People really love to be needed by each other. Ask them, if you get suddenly tired, if you can crash on their couch, or whatever gets you home safe.
Plan your parties in advance and you get into so much less trouble. It took me years to figure that out. Maybe you already know it. Please forgive me for overadvice if you do--but I hate to see someone hurt themselves or end up in the ER, where, yes, the mixture of a --pam drug and alcohol will get you profiled and treated a certain way.
Be safe and have fun!!! 
P.S. Why not consider letting the Xanax do its work and see how you feel before having a cocktail? Order jasmine tea, and confide to your friends that you are undergoing a beauty regimen that clears out your body for better skin and less bloating?
Bet you'll be dancing just as well!
Absolute last tip: If you are going to drink those beers, yeah, it is a dangerous mix. But, you make your own decisions. Could you please do this?
Drink a glass of water per cocktail. This will limit your capacity, and get some flushing thru your system. Actually this is a party girl trick---really cuts down on the hangovers and the premature aging. 
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I just re-read Cheska's post and I gotta tell you, she is a lot nicer on this whole subject, then most of the ER staff you will meet, should you have to.
They are dealing with trauma victims, terrified relatives, and critically ill children rushed in...
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So I would say definitely, specially if you live alone, pad all the sharp corners your head might fall on, because depending on your stress, fatigue and food intake, well, let's just say a lot of Old Hollywood legends met a sad fate that way.
Or just put on a helmet 
Actually I don't plan on getting that wasted. Had a few screwdrivers and everything seems to be fine so far.
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Or just put on a helmet
Aha...A professional! Why didn't I think of that? 
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Is the mix benzo + alkohol really dangerous in smaller doses - for example, you had your last 1 mg xanax an hour ago - and you go out with som friends and drink, say, two 50 cl beers. That can not be "dangerous".. or?
It's dangerous because of the effect, it makes you, well, really "out of it". However it takes a HUGE amount of benzodiazepines to actually "overdose". With Klonopin I *think* it's over 50mg or something crazy like that.
The danger is in effect.
Ok , so the "danger" is that you maybe become wery drunk and have ablackout - not physical danger like breathing-depression or so.
Some says that alcohol and benzo kan make you stop breathing, but its maybe in bigger doses of alcohol and benzo
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fluffyfeller,
I couldn't agree more... I stress that. I've never experienced any problems, even in accidental excess, however would never reccomend.
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Is the mix benzo + alkohol really dangerous in smaller doses - for example, you had your last 1 mg xanax an hour ago - and you go out with som friends and drink, say, two 50 cl beers. That can not be "dangerous".. or?
Please take seriously what has been posted above by Cheska and others! I know the potential danger from personal experience.
I do not sleep well on long plane flights. Back in the 80's my doctor prescribed some lorazepam (Ativan) so that I could sleep on a long (something like 14 hours) flight that included a stop over. He had previously prescribed limited amounts Atvian for anxiety/sleep on a couple of occasions; thus, it was not as though I'd never taken this medication before and had no idea what to expect from it.
I did, however, exceed his instructions: I took two of the 1 mg tablets shortly after take off. About 10-15 minutes later, it occured to me that I might sleep even better if I drank a small amount of the Johnny Walker Black that was being offered by the flight attendant. In all honesty, I consumed a fairly small amount of the scotch whiskey I was offered: it was more than a swallow, but it was much less than the full plastic cup offered. (The airline I was using offered this drink without charge even outside of first class.)
I fell asleep quickly. However, my flight was not a nonstop flight: it included a stop over where passengers could take advantage of duty free shopping. Apparently, I had no trouble getting off the plane. No one remarked that I appeared intoxicated. Apparently, I had no difficulties with anyone from whom I purchased a few gift items in the duty free shop. Apparently, I had no problems reboarding the flight. I certainly had no difficulty falling back to sleep. When my flight was close to landing at the final destination, I recall waking and feeling quite refreshed after such a long flight. However, when I reached my residence and unpacked my briefcase, I was very surprised to notice that it contained these items I'd purchased at the duty free shop. To this day I have only the vaguest memory of deplaning at the stop over, and I have absolutely NO memory of making any of my purchases. Moreover, sober/unmedicated, I could not think of any reason for buying a couple of the items I found in briefcase. I guess I'm very fortunate that I my purchases totaled under $100: all of them were made using a credit card that had a limit well over that amount!
Depending on dosage and route of administration, benzodiazepines affect memory processing to some extent. In hospital settings, diazepam (Valium) and especially midazolam (Versed) may be given intramuscularly or intravenously not only for "sedation and relief of apprehension" but also "to impair memory of perioperative events." (These drugs may be given with an appropriate amount of a painkiller too.) IMHO that is something good: if--in the appropriate hospital or office setting--I needed to undergo some uncomfortable procedure during which the doctor wanted me conscious, I would prefer that I felt as little pain and stress as possible. Moreover, I would just as soon remember very little if anything about the details of procedure itself.
Product information published by the pharmaceutical companies making the various benzodiazepines is available on the Internet. Use a search engine, and type in the name of the medication you are taking plus product information. You will find that alcohol--in particular--is mentioned under precautions/information for patients. Alcohol is known to substantially enhance memory impairment when taken with any of the benzodiazepines.
Clearly, we are all respond somewhat differently to the various medications on the market. I've read posts stating that he/she gets better pain relief taking Lortab as opposed to taking Percodan. Another writes that Klonopin does not help relieve anxiety as well as Xanax. Etc., etc. Bottom line: some may be not have experienced what I did, but (IMHO) taking any benzodiazine and consuming alcohol at the same time is playing with fire. Moreover--and again it's only my opinion--drinking even 50 cL of beer one hour after taking 1 mg of Xanax is pretty much taking them at the same time.
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Ok , so the "danger" is that you maybe become wery drunk and have ablackout - not physical danger like breathing-depression or so.
Some says that alcohol and benzo kan make you stop breathing, but its maybe in bigger doses of alcohol and benzo
IMO the biggest danger is the benzo/alcohol combo diminishes your "common sense" more quickly than alcohol alone. Then it is easy to drink too much with out realizing how much you're drinking (kind of like those fruit punch drinks with 190 proof Everclear they serve in New Orleans ). Real danger is unanticipated over consumption of alcohol and the possibility of pulling a "Jimi" because benzo keeps you out while you vomit. I'm not a doc, so I can't give exact figures for depression of respiration by benzo/alcohol combo, but I do know that, unlike barbiturates, you've got to take a lot of benzo's to OD. Stella Blue mentioned 50mg (25 x 2mg pills) of Klonopin/Rivotril/Clonazepam above -- that sounds about right to me.
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What Can Happen When Alcohol + Drugs Are Mixed
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IMO the biggest danger is the benzo/alcohol combo diminishes your "common sense" more quickly than alcohol alone. Then it is easy to drink too much with out realizing how much you're drinking (kind of like those fruit punch drinks with 190 proof Everclear they serve in New Orleans ).
I hate to say this, but Everclear will lose to illicits, such as cocaine - any day, making someone think they are sober and continue benzo use. So it's back to one's tolerance and environment. If you gamble with scripts... potential problems, IMO.
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Ok , so the "danger" is that you maybe become wery drunk and have ablackout - not physical danger like breathing-depression or so.
Don't you think that's enough? Do you know what can happen to you or someone else you encounter in a blackout?
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I hate to say this, but Everclear will lose to illicits, such as cocaine - any day, making someone think they are sober and continue benzo use.
Agree completely -- Everclear is just 95% ethanol - easily disguised in fruity drinks, so you can drink a lot before you realize that you've had anything to drink. You make a good point that stimulants like coke, meth etc. can mask the alcohol intoxication, which is far more "misleading" than Everclear sneaking up on you.
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