kimbell1
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Yesterday, three postal inspectors came to the address that I ordered some non contolled drugs. The package was not opened but somehow, the postal inspectors got tipped off since the package came from a texas boarder town but MAILED in the united States with no Mexican post marks.
Is is illegal to order non controlled drugs like antibiotics or ratidine which is generic for zantac but in Mexico it is perscription strenght instead of the 75 mgs that you buy here over the counter.
Have postal rules been violated just ordering anitbiotics which here need perscriptions and perscription strenght zantac for stomach problems?
All help as soon as possible would be appreciated since these guys are supposed to come back sometime today.
I know that a friend went to a Texas boarder town and walked though customs with the stomach medicicine after she declared it and the people she was with aslo walked their non controlled drugs over after declaring them.
IS using the US mail make this different???????????
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summer
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Hopefully yesturday you didn't aknowledge to the inspectors that you did place the order. If you did tell them than I have no advice.
Now if you didn't tell them, just deny deny deny and tell them that you didn't order these meds, you have no idea why they were sent to you and cut your loss and tell them to please take the stuff away because you didn't ordr it and you don't want it. Let us know how it goes tday
Summer
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poco
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Kimbell,
This is my understanding and somebody correct me if I'm wrong..
You can not import any medicine to the US without a importation license. This includes controlled or non-controlled medicines....
You can physically walk over the border with a certain amount though.
If they had opened your package it probably wouldn't have been a big deal. They would tell you it is illegal, scare you and be on their way...
Since they didn't open it, they can suspect all kinds of things...
I dont know what you should do... Someone else here can tell you what to do if they come back...
There is so much mis-information out there about ordering meds online..
I do know it is illegal... Everyone takes a chance...
Good luck to you, and let us know the outcome.... Poco
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kimbell1
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Thanks Poco for the post.
About 8:00 am this morning, the postal inspector that visited where I have my mail sent since where I live is not a good idea, called me.
He was nice about it. He sid that you can't inport medications into the US. Since he was nice about things, I didn't mention that the package had been mailed in the US since the relative that got contacted yesterday say the outside of the envelope.
Someone turned me in I figure since this insector had no idea of who I had used in Mexico. I did give the owner's name but that is all I could remember.
It makes me mad to lose the money that I paid but if this is really over like that inspector said (he said that this was just a first time warning), then its a cheap price to pay. I posted a few times that these seizure posts are probably bogus. I am eating my words.
I would have to be pretty desperate to use the mail or Mexico again.
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kimbell1
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Thanks Summer.
I missed your post. That would have been the best way to handle it, unfortunately, they went to a relative where I have the mail sent because of wherre I live is not a good idea and she admitted that I had ordered some stomach medicine.
I have done a litle research after i made my orginal post and thought you can walk the meds through the boarder (declaring is a good idea), I checked the US postal Service site and no mention was made that you could not mail medications through the mail. They prohibit 'drugs'. So I guess they could still call otc meds 'drugs'. I assumed they meant illegal meds.
The inspector did call me back a 2nd time this morning and he really wanted to get hold of this pharmacy. I told him that I e mailed the owner that he ripped me off which I thought he had and I threw the card away with the pharmacy name, phone number and e mail. I guess if they wanted, they might check my phone record for last months calls to Mexico trying to find out whee my order was.
I just hope this inspector drops it. This is small time . True government ----at work. I know that I feel better protected today and can't wipe that happy grin off. LOL.
Now with this matter resolved, if anyone wants to comment, please do so.
1984 is alive and well.
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digitalone
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kimbell1,
Sorry about your ordeal. Quick question: Is your town small, med-sized, or large - say over a million. Thx.
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Jerzy
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I think it's time to move to Canada...
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Trampy
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I'll bet any amount that it's a small town. But on the other hand ... three postal inspectors in one spot is a lot of postal inspectors. My guess is that they were probably not all postal inspectors but other members of the local drug task force. If they took away the unopened package and opened it, they probably needed to get a search warrant to open it because it was domestic mail. That is ... if they did a legal search, which is not always the case. Anyway, they found no illegal drugs or it would have been much more scary.
Do you have anybody out to get you by tipping them off that you were ordering drugs by mail from Mexico? Otherwise, how did they know? They didn't know where it came from and they didn't get the package from Customs. Makes me think you have someone there trying to get you in trouble. Well, it shook you up, but the only harm done is keeping you away from the IOP scene.
Customs can open anything that comes into the country but if it's mailed in the U.S., then it's domestic mail.
If it only had unscheduled medicine, i don't think there's any crime they can charge you with. They can charge the sender because that'd be running an illegal pharmacy. That's probably why they wanted to know who sent it to you. They didn't charge you with anything and you lost the package ... but you didn't get arrested or have your house searched and you didn't have to pay a penny for a lawyer.
If it's a small town like i suppose, they'll probably keep an eye on your mail and if they're palsy-walsy with a judge they could get a search warrant and open up anything they think is suspicious. So my advice is quit while you're ahead. Or else hand carry it over the border. The mail is over.
Trampy
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kimbell1
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It was in a small town of about 20,000 people.
My realative couldn't read their badges because she can't see up close. I had a package sent with a pronounce bottle pooch and this package was not bothered with. The package that was siezed has flat and the meds in foil strips.
As Trampy says, there was no reason for them to look at this package. They asked my relative permission to open the package and she said yes. I was not there when all this happended. The looked inside and didn't know what the med was according to my relative. I don't think that this had drug task members because none of the three knew what the med was. A dea guy would know these things.
I think that the guy in Mexico tipped them off after he sent the package. I figure that he called the psot office in the boarder town and said that a package with my address was mailed. We had some 'words' about this order since it was supposed to show up with the other med that was ordered.
The Mexican acted very childish and said that I pushed him about the order when his phone line had been down for 2 weeks after I got my first shipment and thee was no way to know why all the meds didn't arrive. Once his phone started working, I kept getting excuwses that it would be sent until he finally said he felt 'pushed by me about the order and didn't want to do this again'.
If the postal inspector didn't lie (which I wouldn't doubt) and say this was all done with since I couldn't remember the Mexican's phone number since I threw it away
The odd thing is the postal inspector that I talked to did not seem to have any info on the Mexican since he seemed clueless who this guy was. I did give the Mexxican's name.
If the dea or postal service had been watching out for this guy, then I think that they would have sent the inspector that I talked to information like an address, phone number etc.
Again, I feel that I was narced on. I just hope that this is over. But there is nothing really to prove since I can't control what is in a package. And if it is illegal to mail any meds though the mail, then how does my mail service get by with it that supplies about 250,000 employees with their perscriptions.
Think this is really over or do you think they are BSing me.
Any thought welcomed
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kimbell1
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I stated in my last post that I hoped that the postal inspector was not lying when he said that this was over as far as I was concerned.
I read the regulations and it is illegal to send meds though the US mail. I notice that Fed ex is used a lot in these op shipments so this must be US mail policy or maybe its because they are quasi governnment.
But two things in my favor.
1. I can't know what is in a sealed package that I did not prepare for shipment. ANYTHING could be put in it.
2. I was NOT the one who shipped the package and I did not make anyone use the US postal system. The guy in Mexico could have used different shipping.
They are again full of ____.
Sorry that I got upset. That's why it was good that my realative ran interferance for me giving me time to ask her questions about what they wanted, reactions, etc. Guess I owe her.
Again, thanks for all those that responded and if anyone still is interested or thinks that my logic is wrong, please somment or PM me.
Eating humble pie is not tasty when it costs you money and while I still think some of these horror stories are not true, some like mine are legitimate. But then again you can only take my word that this happened. And it did.
But I still think the guy ratted on me. I hopes he chokes on the money. I may have been a lot of things, but I am not a rat which is the lowest thing in my opinion. Even lower than DEA.
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padmakara
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I don't understand-- you said this was prescription dose zantac... well, even if those 'postal inspectors' were DEA or local drug task force, why would you think they would recognize zantac? Its not exactly a recreational substance....
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Trampy
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So the consensus here was pretty right-on. You are in a small town. And you were ratted out ... probably by the ticked-off Mexican pharmacist you had a tiff with.
To set the record straight ...
1. If three members of the local drug task force showed up, what makes you think one of them was DEA? Task forces are made up of state, county, and local narcs, as well as Border Patrol, Customs, INS, and Postal Inspectors ... and DEA. Three does not allow for full representation. I've seen a team of 20 converge for a house search and they all had different badges.
2. Even if one of them was DEA, they're not Mexican pharmacists. So why should they recognize Zantac? They're trained to identify controlled substances. Maybe FDA would recognize Mexican Zantac ...
3. Your relative/friend should learn to never consent to searches without warrants. Refusing a request for a voluntary search is is not evidence of guilt. If she was home and she accepted a delivery of a controlled substance addressed to you and she agreed to them opening it ... then she (and you) could both be arrested. If they had probable cause for the search they would have gotten a warrant and opened it on their own. They didn't have probable cause because that anonymous tip did not come from a "reliable informant." Thankfully, even in a town of 20,000, an anonymous tip from an upset mexican pharmacist with a vendetta is not Probable Cause to open your mail. Thank Goodness for that! If they pulled a stunt like that in most big cities they'd lose the case fer shure.
When will people learn to refuse warrantless searches?
Trampy
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actonbell
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Pronounce bottle pooch? I don't understand.
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IMSUSCOT1
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Is is just me, or does anyone else want to scream...."SO THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH MY TAX DOLLARS!!!" ZANTAC, FOR GODS SAKE!
Geeze.....
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digitalone
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At least they made Prilosec OTC now 
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Opie_Yates
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Quote:
At least they made Prilosec OTC now
Yup...three rounds of 14 day treatments, $23 at Costco!!  
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lovepink
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Pronounce bottle pooch? I don't understand.
I think Kimbell meant that it was obvious from the packaging that there was a bottle inside.
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kimbell1
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Thanks for the input. So far nothing after the phone call from that postal inspector.
The reason that if there was a DEA type that should have regonized Zantac (actually the generic form called Ratidine with is otc but in 75 mg dosages). I take 300 mgs a pop twice a day of needed. I would go broke buying at walmarts.
But back to them not recognizing generic zantac. maybe you are right and maybe not.
A good narc should have a fairly braod knowledge of pharmacology since some drugs are very legal aboard and here. There is a big flap in Dallas about cops making arrests based on one informan't word that people that got arrested were selling drugs. Turned out the informant got about $250,000 in informant fees, the police cheif got fired and the FBI is diging into it. Maybee on pharamcists should be narcs and on swat teams.
I figure that the Mexican ratted on me. Things have a way of coming back karma wise so I figure that he will get his.
I saw a big time drug bust a few days ago. Full swat team. And of course the ever loved street clothes narcs. They must have either shot one guy in the foot or else hit him risiting arrest because he was limping. The swat guys even had the black masks and automatic weapons which scared the ___out of me more than anything. Those things spray ammo and it doesn't care who you are if it hits you. Is there really a need to used automatic weapons (machine guns)?
This was in the middle of a crowded stip shopping center and those narcs could have killed a lot more with those guns than whatever the people causght were carrying.
It makes me sick how much is spent on this war on drugs. Think of the money that could be raised in taxes and Bubba might have enough to start another war over oil.
We will be paying for that for decades.
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kimbell1
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forgot to add that the drugs that the Dallas cops got proved to be something like flour after they were made to test the stuff. A lot of people went to jail for nothing.
It's getting that hardly a week goes by that you don't hear fo a cop getting arrested or going to jail. I feel proud that these guys 'look after me'
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potatoboy99
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Every single time I have ordered from an IOP, from the very first order 2 or 3 years ago, I've had the same dull anxiety and sense of dread as I waited for my order, always in the back of my mind I know that something like this, or worse, is a real possibility.
I've gradually restricted my IOP purchases over the years to the absolutely necessary, and I get what I can from OP's. But some of the meds I need are simply not available from the consult-OP industry.
The good news is that with all the increased scrutiny of the Online Pharmacy industry, both domestic and international, I don't see that the number of customers actually getting hassled by the authorities is increasing.
Does anybody, even casually, track the siezure rate? Is it getting worse or staying pretty much the same? Somehow I doubt that it's getting any better..........................
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