night_shade
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While browsing, I came across the article pasted below.
The Passing of Demerol
J. David Daniels, MD
Meperidine (Demerol) has been the traditional analgesic drug for many years. Several misconceptions have lead meperidine to the established place as the standard agent for pain control. In truth, Meperidine is distinctly inferior for pain control, an irritant at the site of injection, ineffective orally, and has a dangerous toxic metabolite which can accumulate at standard doses. Serious questions must be raised about the continued use of Meperidine view of its poor effectiveness and high incidence of serious side effects.
The erroneous reasons for the use of Meperidine have been repeated so often that they have been accepted as truth. These misconceptions include: Less respiratory depression, less effect on biliary pressure, and a lower addiction potential than alternative analgesics, are the standard dogma for the use of Meperidine, All of those old teachings have been proven groundless in recent studies by experts and pharmacologists on pain control. Meperidine has been in use so long that it has less stigma than morphine and it is more readily accepted by health professionals and lay people alike.
The first disadvantage of Meperidine is a short duration of action of only 2 to 3 hours. The standard dosing schedule results in serum levels below the concentration required for pain relief for most of the dosing interval. The old teaching has alleged that a certain amount of pain is good for the healing process. Extensive research by pain experts have proven that pain prevention and continuous control decreases suffering by the patient, hastens recovery time and shortens the length of hospital stay.
The second disadvantage is that Meperidine is a toxic, local irritant, which must be given intramuscularly, and not subcutaneously. Frequent injections lead to muscle fibrosis with decreased analgesic effectiveness. Almost all patients with acute severe pain have intravenous lines and could receive analgesics by that route. Intravenous administration is better for the patient and carries a much lower Risk of needle injury for the nurse. The intramuscular route is inferior for pain control and should be abandoned.
Meperidine is a central nervous system depressant with the same side effects as other narcotics, including respiratory depression, sedation, and constipation.
Additionally, Meperidine is metabolized to normeperidine. This toxic metabolite, causes symptoms of negative mood swings, tremor and twitches, which may lead to multifocal clonus and eventually generalized seizures.
This syndrome is called "Meperidine-induced CNS Excitatory Toxicity." Other studies have demonstrated an increased incidence of post operative delirium in patients receiving Meperidine. Toxicity may occur in normal individuals at standard dose. Risk factors for seizures include larger or more frequent doses (such as for pancreatitis or advanced cancer), renal dysfunction, chronic use longer than six days, and patients with a low seizure threshold.
Normeperidine toxicity can be treated by stopping Meperidine immediately. Standard anti-seizures measures should be used. Naloxone should be avoided as it reverses the analgesic effect of Demerol but not the effects of normeperidine. Pane control can be continued with a preferred analgesic, such as morphine.
In summary, pain should be relieved, not endured. The end point of relief must be interpreted by the patient. the nurse at the bedside must constantly assess the patient's report of pain and offer sufficient medication for relief.
Analgesics, such as morphine or hydromorphone (Dilaudid, can be given for constant pain control while staying below toxic levels, Demerol is an old, lumbering dinosaur which must be taken out of use in order that effective pain control can become a reality.
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Just wondering what your thoughts were on this subject. It has always been very effective for pain for me when drugs like morphine couldn't touch it. In fact, if I got to choose my pain med it would definitely be Demerol.
Thoughts, anyone?
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neonsign2003
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Have used demerol ( injected ) several times for collasped lung. worked great. also have used it orally for numerous pain problems. sucked. many hospitals no longer use it orally for pain. fwiw 
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prettyday
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This is something I said on another thread because by the time a migraine takes me to the ER, I have no idea what the treatment will be. But the next time I know it will not be Demerol!
I had to have shots of Demerol 3 times in my life, over varying years of age, fitness, and overall intake of food, whatever.
Well, I always hated it! I felt like I was floating above my head, nauseated and cotton mouthed, and my tongue just felt fat. Because I looked so out of it, they would tell me I was feeling better, and I COULDN'T TALK! I wanted to say hey, now I'm in pain and dizzy! I know you are trying to help me, but, ummm, is this good?
WELL
It turns out that I have a really dangerous allergy to Demerol, and the last time I could have died. Now that would have terrible for the staff that was just trying to help, and in all the constant reading of all the articles about CP and/or depression, I read that ERs are slowly but surely turning away from Demerol.
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caramello51
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i had my thumb ripped off while tying up a boat (big boat) and when i arrived at the hospital they gave me a shot of demerol, all i can say is that i was sorry when they told me i was going to be put out for reattachment of the thumb. i NEVER felt any pain, just warm and fuzzy.
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My recent ER visit resulted in a doctor who only gave Demerol. I told him it doesn't work as good as morphine, but he said that's all he gives. Even though, my chart shows that I've been there numerous times and have gotten morphine for my migraines. It took it from a 8-9 to a 3-4 painwise. The oral just plain sucks!
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IMSUSCOT1
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Next time you go to the ER, list Demerol as a drug allergy...when they ask what symptoms.,,say my tounge swells 1st, then I can't breath. They'll NEVER give it to you again...and the next choice will be morphine...or at the worst Dilaudid ... And don't be afraid they'll challagne you...you can develop an allergy any time...after the 2nd dose..or after the 50th....
Edited by IMSUSCOT1 (10/09/03 06:29 PM)
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GAPeach
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Demerol - YUCK! I've only had 1 dose in my life time and that was enough. From the time I swallowed the pill - I could feel it travel down my throat - and my throat would tighten - then I got light headed - then from neck down broke out in one huge red welp - and I began throwing up. The doctor told me it was impossible for me to have that severe of a reaction from one pill....he ate those words when I went to his office and threw up on his desk. Needless to say - I got a shot for my migraine and never went to see him again. So - next time someone tries to give you demerol - just tell them my story. Any decent doctor will believe you! Take Care...Scarlett
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guitardude
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I am glad to read I'm not the only one. I got a bunch of Demerol pills a while back and I thought they sucked as well. All they really did was make me feel bad. I had heard so many good things, I thought I must be intolerant or something.
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chevygal
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I also had a shot of demerol and got very very dizzy and got that floating feeling. totally out of control is how I felt. It was during the birth of my second kid, but they gave me the shot about 1 minute before I delivered. They asked if I wanted to hold my child and I thought I had had triplets and asked which one. I swear I could not see straight or function at all. And I hated it. I don't mind the euphoric feeling that some pain medicine give ya, but I do not like feeling so out of control or out of touch. I have never had another, really never had the need. But I will never forget that, and that was almost 18 yrs ago.
I think some stuff like tht I am just very sensitive to. I had a small procedure done and they gave me a shot of valium I think it was, they said it would just make me woozy, and that I would be comfortable but not in pain. I was out for three hours. They finally told my husband to just get me up and out of there, I had a terrible time waking up from it and it wasn't suppose to knock me out. I don't care to have anything injected into me cause once in ya you have no idea or control over what it will do.
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Anglwink
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I also had 1 shot of demerol in my life, when I was in labor with my first child. It made me puke my guts up and did absolutely NOTHING for the pain. Haven't ever had it since! and won't. Anglwink
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night_shade
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Wow! I was pretty surprised at the response you all contributed. I recall my first shot of Demerol as a godsend. It really helped my pain, where morphine just sucked. Maybe it's a simple matter of apples and oranges here. Some people just do better on different medications. I never felt disoriented or weird on demerol. I just got superb pain relief and was finally able to sleep off my headaches or post-surgical pain.
Morphine simply does not help me. It's as if I get extremely tired, but feel the pain same as ever. But others in my family have this same problem with morphine, so perhaps it's a matter of body chemistry.
It's also interesting that Demerol is the #1 drug of abuse among health professionals. Obviously some people really like it's effects.
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Quote:
It turns out that I have a really dangerous allergy to Demerol, and the last time I could have died. Now that would have terrible for the staff that was just trying to help, and in all the constant reading of all the articles about CP and/or depression, I read that ERs are slowly but surely turning away from Demerol.
Same here!!! I was given Demerol ONCE and it made me sick, dizzy, and I couldn't speak or think!! It did NOTHING for the pain!
Sooo....
Everytime I go to the ER I make sure to tell them I am allergic to it, so that never happens again.
Happy Friday!!
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Thomasx26
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Had to go to Emergency Room for deep second and third degree burns from a radiator explosion from my car an the way home from work. Was on the verge of shock from the pain when I arrived. Got a shat of the Big D as soon as I arrived and was like being touched by the hands of God. Instant seccesion of pain and helped Drs and nurses laughing and jocking remove dead skin from my face chest and arms. Worked so well I am kind of glad I never had an other dose. I would have liked it too much.
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jritchie82
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I read that ERs are slowly but surely turning away from Demerol.
Very true. The large urban Hospital ER I work at (and the whole hospital) has turned away from stocking demerol in large quantities. They are just apparently giving it in small doses (25mg's and lower) for "Rigors" due to ETOH DT's... Go Figure.
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Box_of_Rain
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Quote:
Very true. The large urban Hospital ER I work at (and the whole hospital) has turned away from stocking demerol in large quantities. They are just apparently giving it in small doses (25mg's and lower) for "Rigors" due to ETOH DT's... Go Figure.
So stupid! The paranoia on opiod pain relief is absurd! I tend to equate it with any other medication (say, antibiotic) it's a means to an end, a treatment. There being a risk posed for "abuse" should be inapplicable thus *shouldn't* be transferred onto anyone who may need/request/whatever this or that drug. Someone who may or may not need an antibiotic would not have red flags on their chart like someone who may or may not need a percocet (lets say) would have. That's just craziness. Ahhhhh, to live in a perfect world 
While what that article said is not new information (some is, not saying I am the know all be all here) it's just (in my opinion) not a good reason to discontinue its use, which has proved very beneficial over the years. Sure, for some (myself included) it's not all that effective mg for mg but so? ARGH!
Just recently I had a migraine that wouldn't stop, I was puking every few minutes, so pills were out of the question, the Zofran ODT (orally disintegrating) wasn't working, so I went in for a shot. I didn't ask because I didn't care much at the time but they gave me a measly 50mg of demerol, [beep] sorry, all over my chart it reads 100mg or no effect. So I went home with a sore bum (those do hurt) and no migraine relief whatsoever. I called pissed and found our about the 50mg thing. They called in some Stadol nasal spray for me, which in turn made me sicker than hell (that stuff is disgusting) SO frustrating.
From now on I have a stronger Zofran and more of my own good old percocets and hydros, thankyouverymuch! 
ARGH, doctors sometimes!
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prettyday
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I didn't ask because I didn't care much at the time but they gave me a measly 50mg of demerol, [beep] sorry, all over my chart it reads 100mg or no effect. So I went home with a sore bum (those do hurt) and no migraine relief whatsoever. I called pissed and found our about the 50mg thing
Ahhhh, yessss!!! The other bane of Chronic Pain. When you have acute pain, it doesn't help to dribble the med dose to you. But how to explain?
I agree with you about the whole opi-fear problem. If I could wave a wand over those situations, patients would be able to tell the truth about their intake, or there would some way to tell instantly that the dose was not enough. They would knock it out that isolated time and send you home. 
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