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lemongrass
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Re: any benefit to breaking pills? [Re: Folksong]
      #104919 - 10/03/03 11:23 AM

Exactly! That's so they can TRY to weed out those who are just seeking an easy buck. Honestly, I don't know why anyone would WANT to be on SSI if they didn't have to be. That's hardly any kind of income. It helps when you're in need though.

Folksong, good luck and don't give up! When in need, absolutely fight for your rights.

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Re: any benefit to breaking pills? [Re: lemongrass]
      #104971 - 10/03/03 02:26 PM

Actually, I don't know why. I never thought about that until now. I guess it was the closest most convienient place so... I knew the capsule itself didn't affect me; but somehow the meds worked better that way; probably an entire placebo situation.

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antique
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Re: any benefit to breaking pills? [Re: lemongrass]
      #105047 - 10/03/03 06:56 PM

lemongrass, have a look at this website for more info on duragesic patches (aka fentanyl).


http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/203780.html


I noticed that there were no special precautions for people with liver disease, so this is definitely worth looking into.


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lemongrass
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Re: any benefit to breaking pills? [Re: antique]
      #105102 - 10/03/03 11:00 PM

Ah, thank you, Antique! A friend of mine was telling me about them today. I will have a look at the site. You're a real gem!

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Magus101
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Re: any benefit to breaking pills? [Re: sheenafur]
      #105125 - 10/04/03 02:50 AM

I doubt breaking a Hydrocodone/APAP (say Norco) in half would make any noticeable difference in abosotion rate, at least I've never noticed any. If you really wanted to speed up absorption (for pain purposes of course) you could try drinking carbonated beverages with your pills (which causes the pills to dissolve faster).

Although, obviously if your goal is to make the pill 'dissolve' faster one could simply dissolve the pill in a glass of water ~first~ and than drink the contents....



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Re: any benefit to breaking pills? [Re: yawkaw3]
      #105180 - 10/04/03 09:45 AM

Thank you for the explanation Yawkaw. I learn something new every day on this board.

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antique
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Re: any benefit to breaking pills? [Re: Magus101]
      #105188 - 10/04/03 10:35 AM

I noticed that someone mentioned taking the meds with a hot drink to speed up dissolution of the pill. I have read that codeine and hydrocodone both break down if exposed to heat. I don't remember the temperature right off. I'm wondering if you couldn't end up with less potent med if you take it with a hot beverage? You may need to measure the temp and make sure it is not hot enough to actually break down the med into other chemicals.

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antique
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Re: any benefit to breaking pills? [Re: lemongrass]
      #105198 - 10/04/03 11:54 AM

lemongrass, I'm glad to be able to help. I did a little more reading about opioids in general and whether they are contraindicated for people with liver disease. Here's a quote from a website I found followed by the link.

Persons with severe kidney or liver disease should avoid taking opioids orally because of the possibility of drug accumulation or prolonged duration.
http://codeine.50g.com/info/codeine.html

That's a very informative website. I'm searching that site for info on the temperature at which codeine and hydrocodone begin breaking down.

OK, here's something interesting for those taking their meds with herbal teas:

Herbs high in tannins reduce the absorption of codeine (tannins are a group of unrelated chemicals that give plants an astringent taste). Herbs containing high levels of tannins include green tea (Camellia sinensis), black tea, uva ursi (Arctostaphylos uva-ursi), black walnut (Juglans nigra), red raspberry (Rubus idaeus), oak (Quercus spp.), and witch hazel (Hamamelis virginiana).


Here's what I read about temp for codeine:

Codeine phosphate and sulphate tablets should be stored in well-closed, light-resistant containers at a temperature less than 40°C (104°F), preferably between 15-30°C (59-86°F).

Another website says:

Note: Codeine is very sensitive to heat; it may lose its potency or decompose when heated. Avoid exposing codeine to temperatures greater than 60°C.

That's 140°F, so I doubt that anyone is drinking anything that hot! This was for codeine, but I think that the temp is similar for hydrocodone.


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Box_of_Rain
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Re: any benefit to breaking pills? [Re: lemongrass]
      #105461 - 10/05/03 03:42 PM

Quote:

I've never heard of it. What is it, exactly?

Thank you, Antique!

lemongrass




(butting in)

Duragesic? It's Fentanyl basically, but in "patch" form, it goes on for 72 hours I believe. I'd ask about it, that's a good idea.

EDIT: Wow, nevermind, it pays to go to the second page before replying! LOL (DOH!)


Edited by Stella_Blue (10/05/03 03:44 PM)


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Re: any benefit to breaking pills? [Re: antique]
      #106045 - 10/07/03 08:02 PM

Well, that's VERY interesting as I always take my (broken in half) pills with a nice hot cup of green tea! Okay, I'll switch to ginger ale, I guess. Wow--thanks!

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Re: any benefit to breaking pills? [Re: sheenafur]
      #106048 - 10/07/03 08:12 PM

I agree with Magus101. When I am in pain in the morning and I can't wait for 15 to 30 minutes for my meds to kick in I grab my pill smasher and smash up my Norcos. Pour the powder into a glass filled with about a shot of water. Swirl that around until all the pill has dissolved, or at least most of it and drink. Chase with some fruit punch or any other good tasting drink and within 5 minutes, you are pain free!!

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Re: any benefit to breaking pills? [Re: ars0n29]
      #106052 - 10/07/03 08:29 PM

Again, what an amazing array of responses. Thank you so much! Now my doc put me on neurontin today. I posted the question elsewhere, but does anyone have any experience with the combo of hydro and neurontin?

Sheena

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Re: any benefit to breaking pills? [Re: sheenafur]
      #106074 - 10/07/03 10:06 PM

Neurontin did nothing for me. I was fearful of the side effects (weight gain specifically) and felt like the dosage was too much for me to deal with. It seemed more of a CYA for the doc than something he really believed in. I am NOT knocking it though as some people have incredible results with it, especially neuropathy sufferers. Give it a chance. Hopefully it will help you.
It did not seem to interfere with my hydro at all.
Good luck!

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Re: any benefit to breaking pills? [Re: quaker]
      #106547 - 10/10/03 04:12 AM

Bam I think th' word u were lookin for was "Methatrexate"? Anyways, I hadda take them for psoriasis back in bou 1986 or so. They are effective for arthritis too. Get this, they are primarily cancer treatment drugs. Yeppers when we hear th' term Chemotherapy many times it Metha we're talkin 'bout. For psoriasis I started on the max dose as per th PDR for it, I think 25 0r 30 mg a week. When I looked in the PDR it was talkin' bot th' dose fer cancer starts at bout 75 mg or so. The way 25 mg made me feel I don't EVER wanna find out what 75 mg o' that poison feels like!!! Anyhows, after two weeks o takin it I remembered that there was claims in the news of pot relieving th NAUSEA and other effects of the Metha. Trust me the nausea was GREATLY releived, it wasn't the power of suggestion. There isn't enough suggestion in th' world ta make ya not feel sick with that Metha Best if kept off the board! As u might have surmised even tho' it was very effective for the malady it was prescribed for I am no great fan of the stuff. I can't beleive that beauricrats are so cruel as to not approve marijuana Federally for pain releif from some of th "wonder" drugs marketed by our "benevolent" drug empires. Oops, companies. I feel for anyone goin thru the pain of Methatrexate. As for my back pain, well someone might be inclined for fast relief ta snap a 10 in half and chew the first half whilst enjoyin a good cup o hot joe! The mud helps wash down the second half o the pill, chewing optional. Gets the day started and within an hour I am gettin th kids off to school and not walkin bent over and guarding dramatically every little movement I do! The drug absorption can be graphed mathematically on a two axis chart.. Commonly with th time goin across and the blood concentration goin up n' down. You will see basically, roughly a bell curve generated. Yes as peeps here said before faster in faster out. And if you facilitate faster times be WARNED the top o' that bell curve can spike higher! Keep that in mind for safety's sake please! whether its 3-4 hrs or 6-7 hours your liver is still processing whatever amount of the drug you took. So over a 12 hour period it did the same total amount of work, so not to worry there. BUT! The liver as everything else has max limitations. In other words the maximum chemical it can process at any given point in time. I would imagine it can't be healthy to work it at it's max or near max too often. Genetically also we are all different. Some have the genetic constitution to drink and drug heavy all their lives and they die at 90 of old age having lived relatively healthy all their life! Others simply look at a drink once or twice and their liver vapor locks at the mere suggestion of a drink and they turn yellow and die young.There are many variables to the question you asked about breaking pills relating to absorption and efficacy and safety and yadda yadda. Be safe and pain free or at least pain - less and take cares. I am gonaa stop talkin now as I hope I havent bored others too much!


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Re: any benefit to breaking pills? [Re: NeoRocket]
      #106726 - 10/10/03 08:12 PM

Neorocket, what a way with words!!! I loved it.

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