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Sky_Queen
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Rapid Detox
      #61148 - 03/01/03 02:03 PM

Long reading folks and I'm sure many of you have heard of this, it's not exactly "new" but I didn't know that much about it and find it fascinating. Has anyone here gone through this method?

CLEAN AND SOBER IN 48 HOURS?
By Daniel Costello, Special to The Times

Los Angeles Times

Lisa Hill, a 27-year-old prescription drug addict, lies in a hospital bed in Tustin, about to undergo her third detox attempt. A few minutes later, doctors give her anesthesia, stick a breathing tube down her throat and then administer a liquid dose of Naltrexone. During the next few hours, the drug cleans Hill's body and brain of any remnants of the painkiller Vicodin that she has been hooked on since a car accident in 2000.

If Hill were awake, she'd be suffering hours of severe headaches, vomiting, shakes, sweats and relentless abdominal pain. The doctors, though, don't wake her for several hours, and later give her sleeping pills to make it through the night. In the morning, she wakes up, takes a shower and goes home. A few hours later, she no longer craves.

The treatment takes two days, from start to finish.

This new and controversial drug detoxification therapy is known as "rapid detox." Advocates say it's the next generation in drug treatment, far easier and more effective than traditional methods, such as 28-day programs or methadone clinics. It's primarily used for people addicted to opiates, such as heroin, morphine or Oxycontin -- a highly addictive prescription pain medication -- because those habits are considered the most difficult to kick. Other detox programs that promise speedy treatment for people addicted to cocaine and alcohol are beginning to be offered across the country, although such programs are not yet common.

"This is more successful than traditional treatments. And it's more humane," says Clare Waismann, director of the Waismann Institute in Beverly Hills, who brought the treatment to the U.S. five years ago from Israel, a major center of research into rapid detox programs. The number of patients undergoing treatment at the institute's clinic in Tustin has tripled in the last two years, Waismann says.

Popularity and Criticism

The concept of rapid detox is appealing for a number of reasons. As the name suggests, the treatment is faster and more convenient than alternatives. Patients could enter treatment on a Thursday and be back to work by Monday, without disrupting their lives for weeks or attracting the attention of bosses, co-workers and friends. Although medical insurance doesn't cover the treatment, which costs about $10,000, the programs are less costly than some of the longer and fancier drug treatment programs.

Moreover, by most accounts, traditional treatment methods don't work for many patients. By some estimates, as few as 15% to 30% of opiate addicts complete traditional treatments. Rapid detox clinics claim success rates of up to 60%, although those claims have not been validated by rigorous scientific studies.

Despite its growing popularity, many physicians and some prominent addiction specialists are critical of rapid detox therapy. A key concern is the lack of clinical studies demonstrating the benefits and risks of the treatment. Several smaller studies, here and abroad, have been inconclusive. Researchers at Columbia University are doing a larger study comparing one-year success rates of rapid detox and traditional therapy, but their work won't be completed for another year.

Because there is a small risk to any patient undergoing anesthesia, many doctors say they won't recommend rapid detox until more is known. "Our view is that there just isn't adequate scientific evidence about [rapid detox] and that currently it involves an unacceptable level of health risk," says Dr. Lawrence Brown, president of the American Society of Addiction Medicine, which serves as the American Medical Assn.'s expert on addiction medicine.

Nevertheless, supporters of rapid detox say demand for their programs is growing. There are no federal statistics on the number of patients who have undergone the treatment, but officials at several major clinics estimate that 5,000 people in the U.S. have had rapid detox therapy this year. Several dozen clinics, from Miami to Seattle, now offer rapid detox treatment, and one company, Los Angeles-based CITA Biomedical, says it is expanding its program nationwide next year.

Treatment's Key Element

At the heart of the treatment is Naltrexone, a nonaddictive, non-mood altering drug that helps break down the physical effects opiates have on the body over time. Opiates attach to receptors, or proteins, in the brain and produce a sensation of feeling "high." Naltrexone, known as a narcotic antagonist, helps to block those receptors and to quickly clean the patient's system of any opiates.

After treatment, patients take Naltrexone once a day for up to nine months. Alternatively, they can have a Naltrexone pellet inserted in their abdomens that releases the drug over six weeks. If an addict takes an opiate while on Naltrexone, doctors say, they will not experience a sensation of feeling high.

While the drug-assisted withdrawal itself takes as little as four hours, additional time is required to prepare patients for treatment. Because many addicts often are in poor health, they must first undergo extensive medical tests, including electrocardiograms, liver and lung exams and pregnancy tests, the day before detox. They are then given muscle relaxants, sleeping pills and an opiate so their bodies don't start to go through withdrawal symptoms before treatment. The next day, the treatment usually takes place in a hospital intensive-care unit, overseen by an anesthesiologist and a team of nurses and technicians. (Most rapid detox programs operate through private clinics that contract with hospitals.)

Still, there are risks. It is known that at least seven people have died in the United States soon after undergoing rapid detox. Six of those deaths occurred at one New Jersey clinic not located at a hospital; the physician involved was later disciplined by the state medical board for failing to take adequate medical precautions. While doctors and researchers familiar with those cases say it is difficult to know if the patients died because of the treatment, some critics of the therapy believe it could have played a role.

And because rapid detox programs are not regulated as consistently as alternative treatments, such as methadone clinics, some doctors are doing the procedures in their offices, without the support staff and emergency equipment required in hospitals. Most doctors strongly recommend against undergoing rapid detox therapy outside a hospital.

Opiate Addiction Rising

Drug experts do agree that something has to be done to deal with the growing number of opiate addicts around the country. There is, after all, a serious health risk to remaining a drug addict.

According to the National Institute for Drug Abuse, there are more than 1 million opiate addicts in the United States and that number is rising. Some of the reasons include the large number of Americans, from baby boomers to the elderly, who are getting hooked on pain medication for chronic pain.

Oxycontin, a potent painkiller that health authorities say is increasingly abused, is also playing a role. Overall use of the drug rose by 140% last year, according to a recent federal survey on drug use.

Popular alternative treatment methods, such as methadone clinics, have significant drawbacks. For one, the number of Americans seeking methadone treatment far exceeds the number of openings at government-approved treatment clinics. As a result, most clinics have long waiting lists. What's more, methadone takes nearly a month to clear the addict's system, compared with a week to 10 days for other opiates, including heroin. Roger Brenner, 47, says he was addicted, on and off, to everything from cocaine to heroin for more than 30 years. Six years ago, he started methadone, hoping to break his heroin habit, but later found that it was more difficult to quit methadone than the other drugs he had taken. The Vista, Calif., service manager underwent rapid detox treatment for methadone three years ago. Although he felt "like a truck had hit him" when he woke up after treatment, he said the method worked like "a miracle." Brenner says he has been clean since.

As more is known about rapid detox, doctors say they are learning that the treatment works better for some patients than others. People who have recently become addicted to painkillers, and older addicts, who are often weary of using drugs and are more motivated to quit, have better success. One group some doctors are hesitant to treat with rapid detox is longtime chronic pain sufferers. Many still experience pain after detoxing and return to drugs to ease their suffering.

Such is the case with Lisa Hill, the Costa Mesa woman who underwent treatment at the Waismann's clinic in Tustin. Although Hill says she didn't feel cravings for the drug immediately after treatment last month, she ultimately thinks the therapy failed. She still experiences pain in her back and leg, and she acknowledges that she returned to taking a prescription painkiller, a few weeks ago. "I feel there was too much hype around rapid detox," she says.

The Waismann Institute disagrees that the treatment didn't work, and says that Hill showed no signs of opiate withdrawal after the procedure, such as abdominal pain or a runny nose.

Doctors say one of the most important aspects of rapid detox is the care provided to patients after the procedure. Depending on the clinic, post-treatment counseling is provided for two weeks to six months.

Critics of rapid detox say that intense post-treatment therapy is the single most important part of addiction treatment and should continue for up to two years. After all, many patients haven't felt the pain of even a toothache, or clear emotions, for years and quick sobriety can be a big shock. "Detox is different from treatment. For some addicts, six months is a drop in the bucket," says Dr. Gifford Gervitz, an expert in the field who conducted a small research study on rapid detox at Tufts University in Massachusetts three years ago. Gervitz says that his study had favorable results but that with only 20 patients, it wasn't large enough to be conclusive.




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mello
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Re: Rapid Detox [Re: Sky_Queen]
      #61161 - 03/01/03 02:23 PM

Wow, that is very interesting...thanks for posting. Sounds pricey, but a 60% success rate is amazing! And it sounds much more pleasant than the traditional methods. I don't consider myself an addict, BUT I do know that when I have had to take larger doses of hydro for any period of time I feel physically HORRIBLE(and just not quite "right" mentally) for a couple of days afterwards! I can only imagine how intensified that feeling must be for someone who has had a high-dosage habit for a long time...

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Re: Rapid Detox [Re: Sky_Queen]
      #61521 - 03/03/03 10:55 AM

Hi,
I have looked into this for my sister.
She is addicted to the "mother of all opiates". She is currently on methadone and I cant even begin to describe the pain and suffering her addiction has caused to my family.
She has drained my mother financially and emotionally. All our hearts are breaking and so many tears and hours of worry have been wasted in this private hell...
Rapid Detox sounds like a godsend, but the expense is too much for any of us to afford.

It is for those who have the money or the insurance...
What a shame really... Something that could help so many, is too far out of reach financially....Poco

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quincy
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Re: Rapid Detox [Re: poco]
      #61625 - 03/03/03 05:06 PM

I think that Ultra rapid detox is wonderful, but of course insurance will not pay for it. I looked into it when I needed to detox from opiates, but I couldn't afford it. It was around 2000$, and if I had the money I would have done it in a minute. I had to do it the old fashioned way- at home with clonidine. It took at least a week to feel semi-normal. Of course my insurance was only too happy to pay for a trip to a detox facility-a 28 day treatment program in another state, and they would have also payed for a plane ticket. Dosen't make a lot of sense to me, but I think that the powers that be feel we should have to suffer withdrawl as "punishment" for taking opiates in the first place. The only thing I think that is wrong, is that the rapid detox will get your body off the drugs, but not your mind. I think you will still need a 12 step program or something to help the mental addiction. My detox was ordered by my jerk doctor who was freaked out that I was taking too much hydro for my fibro pain. ( I was on it for a whole three months when he decided I had to detox and that I was "addicted" to it.) My new doc found that totally ludicrous and said I shoud sue him for malpractice. I was never addicted at all-at least not mentally. I had to go through that hell for nothing. But ultimately if I had to detox again I would do the rapid.

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Re: Rapid Detox [Re: quincy]
      #61670 - 03/03/03 07:59 PM

Tragically so many are unaware of the difference between addiction and dependence. I hope (and know) that you understand. Peace...

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Re: Rapid Detox [Re: Dharma]
      #61864 - 03/04/03 02:39 PM

Fortunatly I now have a rheumatologist who understands the difference. He put me on methadone, and said that I would not get addicted. Even if I take it for years. Who knows-I just follow the rules and only take the amount he prescribes me. Its just that so many PCPs are scared to give out anything for more than a few weeks. They would rather refer to a pain doc or other specialist if a patient needs to take opiates for more than a few weeks. I think that they should if they aren't "up" on pain treatment. A lot of people are labled addicts who are not and have to suffer needlessly.

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Re: Rapid Detox [Re: Sky_Queen]
      #62173 - 03/05/03 06:58 PM

Legit,, Thanks for posting such a great article,, This sounds like a good treatment for anyone who is addicted. I have been in w/d's before, and it is so painful. This route sounds too good to be true, beings You sleep through the whole ordeal, then wake up and it is out of your system. I'm sure the pt. still has to go through some type of treatment to stay clean, but if someone could get past the w/d stage, they have pretty much won most of the battle.
Thanks,,
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Re: Rapid Detox [Re: TLT]
      #63005 - 03/10/03 01:29 PM

I've read alot about this type of treatment but I don't think it's what it's cracked up to be. First and foremost, you need to WANT to kick. If you think your are done with your addiction after 48 hours and you can just put it past you -- you are going to be terribly surpised. There are 2 main ingredients to an opiate addiction - physical and mental. Sometimes the mental part is much much worse than the physical piece. ok fine -- after 48 hrs you may not have any w/d but you sure as hell are still going to have the mental addiction. I can't remember the exact quote but in the movie Trainspotting, after Ewen McGregor's character goes through the w/d, he eludes to the fact that staying off wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the BOREDOM, DEPRESSION AND THE NON-STOP SUICIDAL THOUGHTS.

W/D is just 1/2 of the battle. Believe me, I know....



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Re: Rapid Detox [Re: Saintie]
      #63385 - 03/11/03 10:59 PM

I totally agree, addicition is mental as well as physical. Flushing it out of your system is great, but that leaves you with the same old system that got you addicted to begin with. Patterns of behaviour, personality disorders, and self destructive tendencies don't get flushed out with the opiates. Lots of people start abusing drugs just because it FEELS GOOD. Lots of us are medicating for depression and/ or anxiety and/or pain and get in way over our heads, drugs make us feel normal and then they take control. Rapid detox is treating a symptom and pretending it's a cure. It's great if you can afford it, but it sounds way too easy. And where does this 60 percent success rate come from? Don't believe any statistic that anybody in the detox/rehab industry throws at you, they are all conjecture and wishful thinking.

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Re: Rapid Detox [Re: quincy]
      #65140 - 03/20/03 02:48 PM

I am posting for the first time. I just want to warn you you that Methadone is VERY addicting!! Please be careful!! I am now desperately trying to detox myself because I cannot afford the rapid approach. I have been doing this for a month and I am miserable. I can't sleep, my muscles ache, I am always angry, my nose is running, I sneeze all the time and now that I have gotten low enough (from 120mg/day to 55mg/day) I am having the pain. If God forbid, I run out of meds I get that flu like, going crazy feeling with the shakes, cold sweats and the feeling that I am going crazy. The worst part is that I am so weak, I can hardly do anything. I can barely drag myself out of bed to go to the bathroom sometimes. I wish I could go back in time and never take that methadone. Yes, it works for the pain, but I would rather have kept looking than to go through this now. Oh, another thing I forgot to mention but my husband wouldn't forget.....my sex drive has totally disappeared. I want my life back so bad I can taste it!! Oh for complete freedom from these dreaded pills. Good luck to you.

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Re: Rapid Detox [Re: Athomemom]
      #100169 - 09/14/03 04:24 PM

Hello everyone. I just wanted to post to bring this issue current. I have recently read that insurance companies are now paying for this. This could be a godsend for people who want a pain free detox. I wonder if there are any organizations that assist with the costs of this. If not there should certainly be. Check out this website for futher information. http://www.floridadetox.com

Hopefully this could help someone!

All the best.


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Re: Rapid Detox [Re: dzlarod]
      #100182 - 09/14/03 05:46 PM

There is plenty of info all over the web of personal experiences about how ineffective this is. You will wake up feeling like a train hit you. It sounds good in theory, but it didn't take 48 hours to become an addict, it will not take 48 hours to quit.

http://www.atwatchdog.org/ before beginning any treatment program. Tread carefully...

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Re: Rapid Detox [Re: Sky_Queen]
      #101332 - 09/19/03 06:24 PM

Quote:

, According to the National Institute for Drug Abuse, there are more than 1 million opiate addicts in the United States and that number is rising. Some of the reasons include the large number of Americans, from baby boomers to the elderly, who are getting hooked on pain medication for chronic pain.





how do you determine you've gotten "hooked" on pain medications for chronic pain???? Anyone on long term opoid therapy for chronic pain will develop tolerance and even physical dependence, but if you're taking your meds at the prescribed dose, under the supervision of a physician, to treat a condition that is not going to go away, are you considered an addict? And what is one supposed to do after you're all "de-toxed" about the pain....ignore it & move on?
I think mixing in patients being treated w/opiates for chronic pain as candidates for detox just reinforces all of the current mis-information about chronic pain. I can still remember my PCP telling me once, "you know, you haven't even tried to wean yourself off the narcotics!' Well, yeah, dumb a##, it's because I take them when it hurts, you MORON!


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Re: Rapid Detox [Re: Sky_Queen]
      #102389 - 09/24/03 03:43 AM

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In the morning, she wakes up, takes a shower and goes home. A few hours later, she no longer craves.



Maybe so. But what about the behavioral aspects of addiction? How's she going to feel when she comes home and looks at that bottle of Vicodin sitting on her kitchen counter?

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Re: Rapid Detox [Re: Sky_Queen]
      #104298 - 10/01/03 08:08 AM

OK...I feel I must STRONGLY encourage anyone considering this treatment to consider that people DIE from Rapid Detox. Methadone patients (whether for pain or on Methadone Maintenance Treatment) are advised to put a medical alert on their driver's licenses to NOT be administered Narcan as it causes acute withdrawal syndrome that can be fatal. Rapid detox is not the "cure" for getting off methadone. I strongly suspect the 60% effectiveness statistic hasn't been properly evaluated for a long period of time. As with any person physically addicted to narctics, the BEST way to detox AND STAY OFF OPIATES (if that is the goal) is to titrate downward.

MY EXPERIENCE:
I suffered from debilitating migraines from age 14. I was given Demerol (in varying potencies) from then until age 21, when my doctor of the day proclaimed me an "addict" and left me hanging. I HAD NO IDEA I HAD BECOME ADDICTED AND I NEVER SOUGHT THE DRUG FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES. I even went to a psychiatrist thinking I was suffering from anxiety (which was actually opiate withdrawal) and was given Ativan AND Klonopin (which, of course, did not alleviate my symptoms and left me so zombified that I could not function at all!!!) When that treatment failed, and I learned I had been "blacklisted" by the ER, I began to resort to just about any method of obtaining opiates for my headaches and withdrawal that I could concoct. Some would call me a "drug seeker" for such, but it is important to note that my understanding of addiction was very limited at that time and I had 2 young children by 22. I NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO FUNCTION. My health started to fail in other areas with multiple bone surgeries, 3 abdominal surgeries, cancer and urinary tract problems (including kidney stones) which always kept the opiate monster alive when I would find the means to beat it.

Finally, after completing a residential treatment program for opiate addiction, and once more geeting addicted (physically) to pain medications due to surgery, etc., I made the decision to enroll in the methadone maintenance program. It was a HUGE relief to me and I was again a functional member of society.

After 7 years on MMT, at 100mgs/day, I began to feel unhappy with my dependence on this program and the physical ramifications to my body because of it. Doctors automatically assumed I was a heroin addict and didn't take the time to LISTEN, and under-prescribed for verified pain issues. I received no help from the methadone program (as this is a for-profit BUSINESS and you pay cash or you don't dose. $12/day--no matter what dose you are on.) You better hope you aren't in legal trouble as jails do not dose you here--or at least they didn't at the time. You also better hope you don't need surgery as almost no doctor will give you adequate pain relief. I suffered through the post-surgical pain of an abdominal hysterectomy with a whopping 5 mgs of morphine given every 6 hours IV. This was absolutely POINTLESS. So, I decided it was time to wean myself off the methadone.

I was on 100mgs as of January 2002. It has taken nearly TWO YEARS to get down to 4mgs/day. I stopped attending the methadone program and started getting prescriptions from my doctor in December last year when I got down to 20mgs. Remember, I paid $12/day for methadone on the program, but it costs me $6.00 for a 100mgs at a pharmacy. 100mgs now lasts me nearly a month. As far as the withdrawal, I have had few problems (I dropped 5mgs approximately every 3-4 weeks until 20 mgs, where I have dropped about 2.5 mgs every month) until recently.

I was fine on 5mgs (just a bit of bone pain, light insomnia and anorexia--I have lost 60 lbs since my detox started--and I have never been "large") but the past 2 weeks have been hell on earth dropping .5mg/week. I can barely tolerate the bone pain. It gets so severe that I can't do much but practice the breathing exercises I used while in labor. IF I sleep, it is fitful and nightmarish. I can't eat, have diarrhea, nausea/vomiting and sweat when it's 40* outside and freeze when it's 80*! I'm terrified of breaking my "schedule" as I don't want my doctor to stop prescribing for me as my options will then be grim--and I certainly don't want to get back on the MMT. So, I am right now despairing of EVER getting off this medication!

The worst part is, once I hit ZERO, I'll have weeks of withdrawal to look forward to. I should also note that I attempted to cold-turkey from 30mgs and the withdrawal is no better from 4mgs. My blood pressure skyrocketed when I attempted the CT, making it impossible. I don't think there is any "quick fix" for methadone addiction. It's a slow and agonizing process and for someone who will have NINE YEARS on it in November, it seems nearly impossible.

I REALLY wish I had never heard of methadone!

night_shade

PS- This is a VERY general overview of my methadone history. Please do not judge me based on this account alone!

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Re: Rapid Detox..AWFUL [Re: night_shade]
      #106062 - 10/07/03 08:56 PM

UROD Ultra Rapid Opiate detox kills many people. It is a terrible, life-threatening procedure.
Please go to Attiction treatment Watchdog and read about UORD....you'll see why I say this and that it is a FACT!!!!!!
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Re: Rapid Detox..AWFUL [Re: k8kat]
      #106188 - 10/08/03 12:56 PM

Just my 2 cents.. but i've known 4 people to go through UROD over the past many years, and out of those 4, none of them made it to the 2-year mark without going back on opiates/opioids for various reasons. They described the UROD treatment as 'he11ish' and not something they'd wish upon anyone. It sounds like a great idea in theory but when applied to humans, it tends to have serious probems. It'd be one thing if all the UROD patients were given naltrexone implants but everyone i've known has been given the pills to take, and eventually they all quit taking them and slowly returned to the pain meds. I, too, question that 60% number. How far out on the timeline was that 60%? Until they develop a UROD for behavior then this is still going to be very problematic. The procedure is improving in safety but it's still far from infallable. Do a google search for "UROD" and "Dr. Gooberman" (or just Gooberman, more results I see..) for some info on the darker side of UROD.. Good luck to anyone thinking about this one. It's never an easy decision when you're chosing between the lesser of 2 evils. And something to think about -- folks I know who have gone thru both UROD and regular w/d have described it to me as this: UROD was almost like being given something instead of earning it. It's much harder to forget a prolonged w/d that you endured, and not want to repeat it, than a seemingly simple, yet expensive, quick fix.


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