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tigger1783
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Dilaudid
      #78317 - 05/23/03 08:25 PM

my doctor recently switched me to Dilaudid 2mg pills for my back pain. I find it very surprising that I can take 2 of these and feel almost zero effect. In fact, 3 pills seem to produce the same pain reduction as about 15mg hydrocodeine.

My doctor doesn't want to prescribe codeine or hydro because he says that the Dilaudid has less side effects. he also told me that it is safe to take whatever amount I need in order to provide relief.

besides being a major pain to find a pharmacy that has this drug in stock, they treat me as if I am a drug addict and are always suspicious of the script (doctor is director at a major hospital).

My question is:

why are people so hot on this drug? it doesn't help me nearly as much as the 10/500's

how much is the normal range of dosages? I'm taking 3 of the 2mg pills a few times a day. I'm worried about tolerance issues and addiction.

I would like to hear other peoples views on how this drug compares with others. And also their experiences

Tigger


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tracerb
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Re: Dilaudid [Re: tigger1783]
      #78334 - 05/23/03 10:00 PM

Check the drug out at www.drugs.com or rxlist.com Both should provide valuable information on the drug if noone else here has any experience with it.

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Re: Dilaudid [Re: tigger1783]
      #78341 - 05/23/03 11:29 PM

It is well documented medically that Dilaudid is not a very effective analgesic when taken orally. I would imagine the people that say it has very strong effects are probably ingesting it in other ways. I dunno..... I have always heard, that even though it is much stronger mg per mg than hydrocodone/oxycodone, it is not effective orally. Sort of like demerol/meperidine.

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Re: Dilaudid [Re: tigger1783]
      #78343 - 05/23/03 11:58 PM

For most people, hydromorphone (Dilaudid) will have a milligram strength about 6 to 8 times that of morphine, when the drugs are taken orally (source: Goodman and Gilman, Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics 9th Ed -- this is an introductory text for medical students and laymen). Since hydrocodone is approximately the same potency as morphine when taken orally, a single 2 mg Dilaudid tablet should be the equivalent of roughly 15 mg hydrocodone, and perhaps as much as 20 mg of hydrocodone!

Your experience -- 4 mg hydromorphone seems weaker than 15 mg hydrocodone -- is probably very rare, but it could be explained by one or more of the following:

1. Dilaudid tablets are hydromorphone hydrochloride as a single drug entity, with no APAP or other actives. While I doubt that APAP contributes much in the way of analgesia in comparison to 15 mg of hydrocodone or 2 mg of hydromorphone for most people, you might be someone who responds exceptionally well to APAP. Since your Dilaudid tablets have no APAP, you perceive them as weaker.

2. You may have taken the Dilaudid under different circumstances than existed when you last took hydrocodone. Your pain might be worse now, making it seem that hydromorphone is weaker than it really is. Another distinct possibility is that your opioid tolerance is higher than you thought (alas, it develops quickly whether you're taking hydrocodone or hydromorphone). If your physician will let your needs determine your prescription (as well it should, but unfortunately, not all physicians are as well trained as your distinguished provider), then you could certainly increase the dose, with all due caution, to find out what dose of hydromorphone you need.

3. You may have an idiosyncratic lack of response to hydromorphone. If everybody responded ideally to hydromorphone, hydrocodone, morphine, or any particular drug, why, we'd need only that drug in the pharmacy. But this isn't so, so there is a place for all of these drugs, and for better such drugs in the future. In this regard, it is known that 10% of people hardly respond to codeine at all, which is a major reason why hydrocodone and oxycodone are replacing codeine more and more. It could be that, despite the well-placed faith that your physician has in the effectiveness of hydromorphone, that you're simply someone who doesn't respond to the medication. Ok, then, just move on. The most sensible thing would be to move back to hydrocodone/APAP, since that worked for you in the past (but of course, you need to understand what "side effects" your physician was trying to avoid by switching you to Dilaudid).

4. You didn't say how long you've tried the Diluadid, but assuming it hasn't been too long and your experience is limited to just the tablets dispensed by one pharmacy on one occasion, there is a possibility that you got some outdated meds, or even the wrong medicine entirely. Such errors are VERY COMMON and a major cause of problems for patients (up to and including death). Check your Dilaudid pills, and make sure you got what you were prescribed (the brand medication is easily identified using the PDR and other resources; the generics can be decoded from the imprint codes (you can post here for help, if needed). And ask the pharmacist to verify you got fresh medicine.

I do hope you get to the bottom of this and keep us posted. In the meantime, I think you can rest assured that your physician has your best interests at heart, since he has prescribed one of the most effective pain medications (for most people, anyway) available, and wants to let your medical needs determine the amount he prescribes. I'm sure you'll want to include him in your future decision making on this matter.



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tigger1783
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Re: Dilaudid [Re: mirror]
      #78626 - 05/25/03 07:02 PM

Is it safe to mix dilaudid with a few Nurofen + tablets in order to increase the pain killing properties? For some reason the Dilaudid 2mg prescribed by my doc does not seem to adaquately deal with my lower back pain (I must be one of those few that has little response to hydromorphine).

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Greycie
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Re: Dilaudid [Re: tigger1783]
      #88167 - 07/16/03 08:49 PM

Hey there- outdated post and all, my ap just wrote me an Rx for hydromorphine today and I've taken 2 pills thus far. I'm having a bit of a euphoric feeling, but my back pain remains. Bah! I'm giving it some time to kick in, but wanted whatever info. I could gather on the pills so that I knew what worked best for me. Thank goodness more hydro is on the way!

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nihil
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Re: Dilaudid [Re: tigger1783]
      #105184 - 10/04/03 10:19 AM

Quote:

why are people so hot on this drug? it doesn't help me nearly as much as the 10/500's




It's because dilaudid is one of the most euphoric opiates available when injected. Intravenous drug users rate its euphoria more pleasurable than heroin. However, when administered in any other forum (orally, intranasally) it isn't nearly as euphoric, which probably explains why its analgesic effect for you also isn't as good as other opiates you have taken.


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Re: Dilaudid [Re: nihil]
      #105465 - 10/05/03 04:03 PM

Watch out for Dilaudid!!!!Taken orally it is not felt very intensley, however, it is a stong Opiate and you can easily overdose. I know I am preaching, but I have witnessed the what has happend when one does not respect this drug. My wife had to be admitted to the ER because she disd not think they were "working".

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Re: Dilaudid [Re: mirror]
      #105532 - 10/05/03 09:14 PM

Congratulations on an excellent post that really helped clarify some issues for me about my reactions and those in my family on both sides---so consistent it has to be genetic and 'not in the head.'
Thank You!

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Re: Dilaudid [Re: Greycie]
      #105533 - 10/05/03 09:15 PM

Gracie, I agree 100%. I have taken them and did not feel they did anything yet if I take 1 10/500 Lortab, it works great.

Go figure.

MrB

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