kimbell1
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I have worked in thge govenment in a quasi law enforcement job. No arresting people-just taxing them.
The government is undermanned, people are not motivated by and large, and I think that a LOT of these posts are by DEA and other LE types trying to use a cheap way to discourage using online pharmacies.
I think that the free-wheeling days of on-line pharmacies are fading. And unless there are no doctors that will see you or take you insurance when it comes to pain (assuming you are not a drug chaser), then a lot of these posting about arrests are the same type of scare tatics that the IRS uses around April 15th when the new runs stories about tax cheaters. Ever see these stories any other time?
I have no idea who are in actual need of pain doctors and why these people won't use a doctor that is local. I don't care if a person uses an OP-it's their money and maybe they will not get ripped off.
But while the battle between doctors and government rages on, there ARE a few doctors in most areas that I would assume write prescriptions for pain killers.
If the doctor won't, you can always say, 'I tired, now I'll use an OP'. That might change his mind. I now if my doctor dumped me, I would be looking for the stringest thing on the market-not this eak stuff he gives me. So if your doctor is a person of ethics, then they will want to prescribe you, not have some 'stranger' who may or may not be an MD provide you with whatever via an OP.
LEt's face it, if you really have pain, you are going to get releif either from a legitimate or ilegitmate source whcih may be the local pusher. And he doesn't care what you buy as long as you are not a cop and have the cash..
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Greycie
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While I appreciate your post, kimbell, you've failed to acknowledge that *some* of us, while getting an Rx from our primary, don't get enough to get the relief we need. Just go to another Doctor, you say? Sure- I belong to Kaiser- you tell me which Kaiser Dr. is going to overwrite what my primary has to say, wlol. Seriously- your thoughts are good in theory, but if I went to my doctor and said "I tried, guess I'll go through an OP now" he'd cut me off so quickly my head would spin, make a note in my chart so I couldn't get any meds for my pain via my HMO anymore and I'd be labeled a drug seeker for the rest of my life. No thanks.
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kimbell1
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I too am sometimes undermedicated so I appreciate your position.
I never see black and white on issues-it'called getting older and wiser.
It would be nice that you could be totally honest with your doctor and he felt that you did need the medication and that some days you had more pain than others and give soem type of 'break through'medication some people on these boards get.
People that have chronic, documented pain and not those that just like to party with the drugs find it increasingly frustrated.
The 'newspapers' like US Today are one notch above a tabloid. Yet they can find room in thier rag for ways to order controlled drugs without a 'real' prescription or report the death of one person too stupid enough to take pain killers and is too impared to drive and wrecks his car and a relative sues the doctor who prescribed the drugs. Why doesn't this relitive sue the state or federal government who built the highway or street, the car maker, and the endless things while they are it. Why doesn't these fluff jobs do a real news story about the day in the life of a real chronic pain patient. I would volunteer.
Ever watch the movie with Nick Nolte, called I beleive 'North Dallas 40' where nolte's character is trying get out of bed after playing a football game the day before? That is me a lot of times in the morning.
Pain is this decades new 4 letter word-actaully it started last decade but probably before then. It can cause suicides, depression, break up marriages, lead to jail and the list is too long to mention.
I am not condeming oP's and if they are honest, then I am glad they are there. It just seems that they require as much work to get medications as going to a local doctor. But if the OP is legitimate, then won't they call your primary doctor at some point? Your primary doctor will then know that you are 'double dipping'.
A lot of people on this and other pain boards are legitmate. A lot are law enforcement types, and a lot are just drug users.
I tend to write controversal posts with bad spelling because I have too much time on my hand since I am disabled. I stay with these boards because I learn something all the time or I might know an answer to someone'sw question or at least offer an honest opinion.
I do not see anything wrong with using an OP to suppliment what your doctor gives you if you can afford it and your doctor truly is conserative in his or her pain appoarch. But again the double dipping issue will arise unless you use the less reptuable OPs or and IOP.
I just get aggrivated with people with legitimate pain that continues get lumped and ultimately punished because some junkie finds a doctor and cons him into narcotics, dies and the media is all over it.
Why don't they cover the life of people that have a need for the drugs. It's like kicking a diabetic because they take insulin.
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kimbell1
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I di not mean to give a doctor an ultimatuim right off. But if you have nothing to lose, then what I recommended might work.
By the way, I was with Kaiser for about 18 years and if you see the same doctor for more than a year, you are doing good. I was lucky that I saw one doctor for about 4 years until he retired and another for about 3 years until he quit. Kaiser in Texas was just a jumping off point for doctors.
They were one step ahead of losing their liscense or just starting out or they had a degree from a third world country. I understand that Kaiser is very popular in California. People in Texas I figure wanted to establish a relationship with a particular doctor and not just see one that was available.
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Eventually, most people who live in reasonably urbanized areas will find a local doc that will treat their pain properly. It took 2 years for me, though. 2 years is a long time to wait in pain.
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Mine
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I have no idea who are in actual need of pain doctors and why these people won't use a doctor that is local.
Because some of us, like myself, have doctors that don't feel it's necessary to treat pain and think we should just live with it. My old doctor told me to take ibuprofen, and I did and it destroyed my stomach. My new doctor tells me to live with it. I'm tired of looking for a doctor that cares so I have taken matters into my own hands. I thought about asking for a referral to a pain doctor, but I really don't think my doctor will give me one. The closest one is over 70 miles away anyway.
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IMSUSCOT1
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THe reason people don't use local docs is because it's hard to find one who will prescribe on a long term basis & be willing to deal with issues like tolerance, I live in a major metropolitan area, population over a million....with multiple hospitals & clinics with state of the art medical technology....even the Mayo clinic is here...but the PM clinics (and I've been to just about all of them) don't "believe in using narcotics for long term pain managment". So I fly to a small town with a teaching institution and have a compassionate PM doc who prescribes what I need to keep me working full time & managing my life....THAT"S why people don't use local docs
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Beetlenut
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AMEN.
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guitardude
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I agree and not everyone has the money to go from doctor to doctor, having test after multiple test done until they find one who might help.........
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Purple
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I am in the same boat, PCP are afraid of prescribing a lot of narc's and the addiction issues. They don't want to get sued by someone, they pay enough for their liablity insurance and don't want any lawsuits.
Pretty sad when you have someone like me who is in chronic pain and it's been documented for years. That's why we turn to OP's just to function on a daily basis.
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ele123
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The problem is that most dr's (especially in large cities) have people try to scam them out of pain meds, so they're skeptical of people with legitamate medical problems and it's next to impossible to get narcotic medication (especially long term) that's not Darvocet or Tylenol 3's. I know I finally gave up on local Dr's. It's understandable in some ways, but it also makes me very angry. It seems like they're more focused on preventing addiction than treating pain, which is not what they're there for! So you give a few drug seekers some Hydrocodone - big 'better kept off the board' deal! You're going to let all these people suffer just because of a few drug seekers?!?! It almost seems like it has more to do with their ego's than anything else. Like it's a personal insult to them when someone scams them out of a script, so they retaliate by not giving pain meds to anyone.
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qbird
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Well in my case when I lived in the big city I had a really good doc that would prescribe medications that were needed. He was however very concerned with addiction issues and was hesitant against prescribing benzos for anything. Now I am in the country and there really are no good doctors around here. My son plays football with the doc's son, do you think I am going to question him for benzos and then get the speech and have to see him daily at practice? I think not, so until a better option is available I will do what I have to do.
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moonshade
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Q-Bird: I agree with u 100 %.
You need to do what u have to do to live your life.
Some of these op's are a risk. That's a given.
Some are very reliable, and from what I've heard, offer more time and communication/support than a doctor you would go and see in person!
How many of us have waited 2 hours past our appt. time to see the dr. for 15 minutes, only to walk out feeling less than "listened to " ( for lack of a better word)????
I am so grateful I found this forum, because of it, I was able to find a dr. willing to help me lead a more normal life. (now let's define normal LOL ) 
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plotinus
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Q-Bird: I agree with u 100 %.
You need to do what u have to do to live your life.
Some of these op's are a risk. That's a given.
Some are very reliable, and from what I've heard, offer more time and communication/support than a doctor you would go and see in person!
How many of us have waited 2 hours past our appt. time to see the dr. for 15 minutes, only to walk out feeling less than "listened to " ( for lack of a better word)????
I am so grateful I found this forum, because of it, I was able to find a dr. willing to help me lead a more normal life. (now let's define normal LOL )
I used to think being probation officer was really stupid and that the criminal injustice system was the stupidest disorganization on earth, but after looking at unhealth care system for last couple years, I've come to the conclusion that no human system is workable. If you want to play by some rules, go ahead - suffer! Look at what's going on and one can only conclude that cheating and scamming are the only approaches that make any sense. It's human nature from Bush on down (& you know where you can go with your clever name, Opie Yates).
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kimbell1
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Perhaps I did not articulate my orginal post. This thread has turned out to be going into an aurgument for online Pharmacies or I am against them. If you read the earlier posts, I have nothing against on line pharmacies. Hell, get your drugs at the local pool hall if that's what it takes.
My original post is about the horror stories of arrest or jail buy buying online.
There may be a few cases out of the thousands that use on line pharmacies and even the most legit are operating in a very gray area.
I beleive this board is monitored by law enforcement types. They post a 'horror' story about ordering a poster some vicodone and it's deliverd by the local swat team.
I have posted that around April 15, the IRS has the news channels and papers reporting tax fraud stories. You don't hear these stories unless someone famous gets caught during other times of the year. The April 15th stories are about the average person that get caught filing a frudulent return. Of course people are going to cheat on their taxes and people like me get to help pay for their theivery since I am an honest filer. But these IRS stories are to intimadate the mases not to cheat this year and if in doubt, don't take that deduction.
But the basic message was that this board is very convenient to scare off OP users or people of thinking about using them.
As for OP's, I have stated that a lot will rip you off and you never get what you ordered and those that don't rip you off still over charge. And from other posts that I have read, few stay in business very long since it is a gray area. But if you read that I am comdeming OP's, you are wrong. But only a fool doesn't think that some of these posters (even 'helpful ones giving you info on a reliable op')are not narcs.
One person made a post that a lot people on this board are rude or unfriendly. I agree. I don't know if it is the drugs from the OPs, not getting drugs or whatever, but this does seem to be a quarrelsome lot.
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Trampy
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I think that giving your doctor an ultimatum by saying that you're gonna go buy narcotic pain killers over the internet if he won't give you the scrip will guarantee that your medical chart will get one of those bright warning stickers saying DRUG SEEKER-OPIATES and then you'll be very lucky to get a handful of T-3s if you're in a car accident ... and they'll enter a treatment code for suspected drug abuse that'll go into the Medical Information Bureau if you use health insurance for the office visit. The doctor might also order a tox screen and he can refuse to treat you again if you refuse that test.
Doctors usually get upset if someone says their sibling or parent who has the same condition shared some pills. Ordering from the internet? Fuggeddabboutit. They don't want to know and you don't want to mention it. Like most social constructions, the doctor-patient relationship is about control. Buying your own drugs without a prescription challenges that house of cards.
Trampy
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ezgoin85
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 .....Well said.
Absolutely,positively do NOT threaten a PCP with an OP.
Were under the gun enough.
Although, I do prescribe to the theory that many stories are "floated" to distract and scare the lambs.
EZ
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LumbarSpasm
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kimbell1 wrote: My original post is about the horror stories of arrest or jail buy buying online.
There may be a few cases out of the thousands that use on line pharmacies and even the most legit are operating in a very gray area.
I beleive this board is monitored by law enforcement types. They post a 'horror' story about ordering a poster some vicodone and it's deliverd by the local swat team.
I just wondered if you still feel the same way?
You posted that you were visited by postal inspectors.
I hope everything turns out okay.
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