| indecline |
| (Journeyman) |
| 11/23/04 03:01 AM |
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 Re: Doctor patient relationships...
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Hi,
This is my first post here, and I couldn't agree with you more - a Dr./patient relatiionship has to be established physically.
I have done quite a bit of reading in here and there seems to be some considerable disdain for NROP's - when in actuality, the record OP's and NROP's are both technically illegal by federal law.
The closest any OP is going to get to legal is the ones that require a port-a-medic who converses with the prescribing Dr. on the phone during the actual examination.
The big problem however, is what you pointed out, the fact that there are too many I-know-what's-best-for-you busybodies out there. Most Dr.'s I've been to in the past 15 years are businessmen first, Dr.'s second. And until the War on Drugs and Christian-do-gooders cease to be huge profit inducing ventures, you will never be able to walk into a store and make your own decision.
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You are absolutely right. The DEA's stance is that no OP (no-records or records kinds) are legal because there is no face to face doctor/patient relationship.
Possibly the port-o-medic could slide under the radar. The only ones that are considered legal are the ones where you get a prescription from your own doctor and send the prescription to an online pharmacy like walgreens.com, CVS.com etc.
I do not know how in the hell the DEA (who have had no medical school training) feel that they are the only ones qualified to tell the doctor what a proper doctor/patient relationship is.
The DEA is using underhanded scare tactics. They need to be stopped. They are violating our civil liberties. In my opinion, they are scum.
TLM2
TLM,
I think most of us will probably agree on that as I'm sure most of us have turned to OP's because of the DEA induced hysteria upon the medical community - you can thank Ronnie Raygun for that ...
It has been fairly well established for quite some time that Dr.'s are undermedicating pain patients in the US - instead, they medicate with supposedly "safe" drugs such as vioxx, ultram, toradol, and NSAIDS such as APAP.
I mean, if someone with Lou Gehrig's disease who has a month to live is forced to endure excruciating pain instead of a Dr. ending his misery 15 days early, I wouldn't expect much out of this compassionless society that ultimately fails to put itself in another person's shoes.
The ironic part is that it is the 'safe' drugs such as APAP that get you in trouble physically. While controlled substances such as opiates do present certain addictive problems with certain people, it's the APAP toxicity levels in the liver that are going to kill you. I am a firm believer that when you are in pain, you don't really get a high from opiates like you do when you take them recreationally, therefore many people are unfairly labeled as drug addicts when they are "relief from pain" addicts.
There was a study done in TJ Mexico by the Pain Paitents for Opiods society that showed that Mexican pain patients were actually breaking into Mexican Prisons to get meds - because in Mex, the gov't actually sells all drugs, from soft to hard, in prison at prison stores - it's called chemical labor - they figure that if they have a locked up heroin addict, they might as well sell him H, keep him happy, and keep him at work (in prison mfg) to pay for more H - although they do offer help if you want off of it, I find it sick that if you have cancer in TJ, you have to break into jail and live there for a while (jails are like mini-city's), to get relief!
God forbid you even mention any kind of narcotics to any HMO-related facility these days - most will have you red tagged and prejudged for future reference quicker than the words leave your mouth.
