I am normally on Oxy 40 mg(rxed for some BAD pain), but when without, I can actually take 400 mg of Tramadol(2 of the 200 mg time released ones) and I am NOT in WD! So, I'd beg to differ, they IMHO are opiates. Not sure about the drug test. I took one while on Oxy and even IT didn't show up!!! They(tests) all have different cut-offs as to WHAT they will detect. Was also at the time on Benzos and they didn't show up either.

BTW, there ARE folks that do get euphoria off Tramadol. I know several, though all I have gotten when titrating my dose (by accident too high) was the "nod" which no longer pleases me.

Sorry, kinda off topic.