What is this "the jump on Trampy" thread? He makes some good points. PiginPain also has good legal arguements. The important thing to remember here people is all these post's by both a relevent. Once you are charged and you hire an atty. these are the types of legal arguements the atty will have with the prosecution. Bottom line if or when this ever happens to an individual, wether they are innocent or guilty they will spend a small fortune watching the same debate, instead of leasurely reading about spirited debate on a board like this. Take care. Billylll