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| (Old Hand) |
| 10/30/04 10:28 PM |
 Re: Opiate Treatment of Refractory Depression
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This has been done before here . Yes, getting high makes you feel better.
You might want to payparticular attention to the points made by yawkaw, as he's a med student (may be a doc by now).
Also, looking at the date of publication-and having been in research myself-I can tell you this study was done over a decade ago. It had no bearing modern life.
It doesn't matter that "they used opiates in the 50's before all these drugs were invented," whoever "they" are.
It's also been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that refractory depressants are more likely to benefit from an anti-depressant if they initiated to it with a small amount of amphetamine. There are a few psychiatrists that do this. Very, very few. And remember-if you have a scratch on you record, if you've ever inhaled, if there are scars on your arms that shouldn't be there, you're too unstable to ever be considered for this kind of treatment.
Trust me, the use of opiates for depression will never be sanctioned by the AMA and psychiatrists who write large repated prescription for C-II drugs for their patients will be meeting the DEA.
My apologies to the the poster above who is finding help in opiate therapy. While I do speak the truth, I speak it harshly, because I am without any sort of help and I fear that I am turning from a 296.33 to a 296.34. . .
Im not flamming at all, honestly, and this is nothing personal, But toe, you are just wrong.
Opioids have an effect on reducing hardcore dysphoria like no other drug. and its not about getting high, its about feeling normal and able to fuction. its no different that antidepressants in the sense that you cant say anti depressants are medication and opioids are "get high to feel better" if things were reversed socially and politically and SSRIs were the contraversial one, youd simply say SSRIs are about "getting high" and Opioids are medication.
Ive tried over 20 medications with 7 different psychiatrist doctors over the past 8 years to help relive the unbareable agonizing dysphoria i naturally experience all of the time. a dozen of those were of the antidepressant class, and including even MAO Inhibitors. all those drugs have done is either nothing, or make me worse and amplify my suffering. most of them made things much worse, like they were trying to torture me instead of help me. Opioid made me feel normal for the first time and less dysphoric than i ever experienced in my life. it removed most of the nasty dysphoric feeling in my head area and relieved the leg pain. it made it so i could face people without severe anxiety, where benzos and all other antianxieties were unable to releive soical phobia in the least bit. infact benzos made things worse and made me feel much worse. dispite what any so-called evidence or studies say, it is clear as day that they are incorrect. they actually would contradict each other since limbic dopamine dysfuction is ONE mechanism theory of depression and opioids caused the release of dopamine in the limbic system.
i donno what else to tell you, people like the original poster and i have no options that we know of besides opioids. the so called studies you are talking about are just wrong. the regularly used drugs make us worse and i donno about him but talk therapy helps my depression about as much as it helps my leg and hip pain - zero. its better than death
